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How to Play Subtlety Rogue in the Shadowlands Pre-Patch
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Shadowlands is almost upon us, bringing with it Patch 9.0 and a large chunk of Class changes and updates. In this guide, we will take a look at the most significant changes for Subtlety Rogue, detailing how you can expect to play the spec during the Shadowlands pre-patch.
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How to Play Subtlety Rogue in Shadowlands Pre-Patch
Want to play a Rogue that doubles down on the fantasy of quick and powerful strikes from stealth? A ninja that can spray shurikens at multiple targets,
from enemy to enemy quickly, and
on water? A rogue who combines skilled use of daggers with the power of
the dark side
shadow magic? In that case, you may want to give Subtlety a try!
Like any Rogue spec, Subtlety uses
Energy
to attack targets. These attacks can usually be classified as either a
Builder
, that generates Combo Points, or a
Finisher
, that consumes these Combo Points for a powerful strike. Subtlety Rogues in particular love doing damage with Finishers. They excel at doing focus damage to their main target and are able to use Finishers more often in multiple target situations.
A specialty of Subtlety gameplay is that it revolves around short cooldown windows with
and
. You will often find yourself in these windows that give access to abilities that require Stealth. While this does not have to mean Sub is a heavy burst damage spec, it certainly has a well-paced bursty gameplay feeling to it.
Even though the short cooldown gameplay can seem intimidating to newcomers, it offers an interesting flow, a compromise between fast-paced button smashing and more thoughtful execution.
If you are new to the spec and want to get started quickly, you can check out the
Beginner's guide
as well as read about the rotation in more depth
here
.
How Different Does Subtlety Rogue Feel in the Shadowlands Pre-Patch?
With the Pre-Patch, there are only a moderate amount of changes to Subtlety. Also, some changes and new abilities won't be available until you level to 60 and unlock Shadowlands systems. The changes we get for Level 50 in Pre-Patch can add some interest to the spec and smooth out some things, but ultimately do not affect gameplay too much. The spec has had a solid core design with little reason to do a full revamp.
Here are the most notable changes to the basic Subtlety toolkit.
has been removed and replaced by
. This effectively removes the damage amp of Nightblade and makes this maintenance finisher just a bleed again, offering more flexibility in its use. Rupture also has a longer duration which should be positive for the spec.
has been lowered to one charge baseline, with a 1-second refund per combo point from
.
now increases the charges to 2 and the cooldown reduction to 1.5 seconds per combo point. Opposed to these nerfs to the cooldown, the duration of Shadow Dance has been increased from 5 seconds to 8 seconds.
In combination, these changes lead to roughly the same uptime of Shadow Dance compared to BfA when not taking
. Shadow Dance and Symbols of Dance can be synched up every 30s pretty reliably. With
, the Dance uptime can even be expected to be a bit higher than with that talent in BfA.
is now baseline instead of a talent. Since this was usually the goto-talent it does not have a very noticeable gameplay impact. Find Weakness lasts longer and a new rank 2 on
also allows critical strikes from behind to apply it. This means that without much of a rotational impact, Find Weakness will have close to 100% uptime on the primary target.
A new rank 2 for
gives you one guaranteed crit on the next builder ability.
has lost the built-in damage increase during
.
Even though some timings can be a bit different, there are some additions that will be covered in the next section, Subtlety will generally play similarly and follow the same concept of gameplay. If you enjoyed the spec in Battle for Azeroth, you will also enjoy it in the Pre-Patch and later on in Shadowlands.
New Abilities for Subtlety Rogue in Shadowlands Pre-Patch
We are gaining access to a couple of additions:
is now an additional baseline maintenance finisher for the spec. With the long duration on itself and the longer duration on
, the amount of maintenance finisher casts will roughly equal the amount of
casts in BfA. For Sub, more attack speed from
offers some helpful synergy with
, which is nice for the spec's energy management.
is the new talent in place of
. This does work with
, so it adds a very convenient way to set up and extend
and to gain some additional combo points, similar to the azerite power
. Numerically it looks fine too, even if
is a bit ahead on single target.
Poisons return to all Rogue specs. For Sub in Pre-Patch, this means
,
and
. With Poisons, we have an iconic Rogue mechanic returning to the base toolkit. In terms of gameplay, their impact will not be too noticeable though, aside from the fact that you may want to grab some WeakAura or Addon that reminds you to reapply them every hour though. Instant Poison damage is not too impactful and the other poisons mostly fill in for the slow from
or the healing reduction on
.
returns as a utility ability that has an interaction with the active non-lethal poison. With only
available in Pre-Patch, this is effectively an on-demand slow.
How Do AoE Target Caps Affect Subtlety Rogue in Shadowlands Pre-Patch
Subtlety is affected in two cases by the addition of AoE ability caps in the Pre-Patch.
is capped to 8 targets.
is capped to 6 targets.
I do not expect this to have too much of an impact since the reason
is important is because of its increased combo point generation and not so much for its damage. The cap on
might be noticeable in very big AoE pulls but a fair part of the damage is on the primary target here as well.
I don't think there is much of a reason to worry about the caps as a Sub Rogue.
All AoE Target Caps
How Do the GCD Changes Affect Subtlety Rogue in Shadowlands Pre-Patch
has been removed from the global cooldown. This is a welcome change that makes it easier to sync it with
without losing a global but does not really have a noticeable impact on the spec or how it plays.
How Strong is Subtlety Rogue in Shadowlands Pre-Patch?
Subtlety has had a bad reputation at the end of Battle for Azeroth, which was mostly a numbers issue. The gameplay has always been fine but it was just unable to pull the right numbers. Sub never got a damage buff which would have helped a lot already.
Now with the squish, scaling changes, and a "fresh" start into a new expansion, numbers look better again. Tuning is subject to change and things can also vary again when we enter Shadowlands max-level content but Sub looks like it will be a very solid pick alongside the other Rogue specs. Especially as a single target spec compared to Assassination, Sub looks very competitive.
What are the Big Gameplay Changes for Subtlety Rogue?
As already summarized as part of how different the spec feels above, there are no really big changes to the way you will play the spec. Nevertheless, let me re-iterate what to pay attention to when you log in to play after pre-patch hits:
With Poisons back, make sure to apply those regularly again. It may be a good idea to update or adjust WeakAuras or other reminders of your choice so that you don't forget about them when they expire every hour. I'm pretty sure every rogue knows the feeling of "Oh no, I did the last boss fight without poisons up". Even if Instant Poison is only a minor damage increase, it's an easy mistake to both make and avoid.
Make sure both
and
are in your action bars. You will now have to maintain both of these but the frequency of refreshing both should not be much higher than
was. Should you run with the new
talent, then Slice and Dice maintenance will happen more passively.
While the change to the charges of
is easy to adjust to, remember that the duration of it was increased to 8 seconds. Your muscle memory may still be used to 5 globals if you played Subtlety before. Keep this in mind and maybe spend some time on the dummy to get into the flow with longer dances.
How does the Loss of Corruption Affect Subtlety Rogues in the Shadowlands Pre-Patch?
It does not really affect the spec much.
In fact, for Sub the loss of Corruption is very positive. Sub had no particularly good interactions with stat corruptions and mostly benefited from damage gambling. As a Sub rogue, it should feel good to just play your class again and not your corruptions, compared to Assassination which is affected negatively and will become slower by losing a lot of Haste.
Best Talent Builds for Subtlety Rogue in Pre-Patch
Talents do not change much except to account for
now being baseline with a new choice in the first row. Due to the changes to
charges and duration,
is solidifying a lead versus the other talents in the Level 45 row.
Notes for variation:
Level 15
:
is a good alternative if you want to spend less time maintaining
. Also the best pick for AoE/M+ where you use
less often.
Level 25
:
is always a strong alternative pick. Just recommending
here while we still have the
minor, which helps with energy to make all globals in Dance matter.
Level 50
:
is a good pick for AoE here.
For more in-depth information on talents and the choices you can make, check out the
talent guide page
.
Best Rotation for Subtlety Rogue in Pre-Patch
This is a typical Subtlety Rogue DPS rotation, using the talents recommended above. More optimized rotations and notes on on cooldown use can be found in the
Subtlety Rogue Rotation Guide
.
Make sure your poisons are up and not going to run off during the fight.
Be in
.
Engage the boss with
.
Use
.
Use your Azerite Essence.
Pop
,
, and enter your first
window.
Use your active Azerite Essence on cooldown.
Use
on cooldown.
Use
on cooldown with
if your next ability will be a combo-point generator.
Use
with
every 30 seconds. With
, you will usually get in another use between two Symbols windows that you can use it to avoid capping on charges.
Use
on cooldown and if you will follow up with
.
Use all finishers at 5 or more Combo Points.
Maintain
.
Refresh
on your main target when it is about to run out.
Apply
to other targets if they are going to live for most of its duration. However, if you want to maximize on prority damage, you should not apply it on targets beside your main one.
Use
.
Use
at 3 or more targets.
Use
if available due to
or
.
Use
at 2 targets.
Use
.
Best Stats for Subtlety Rogue in Pre-Patch
It is usually the best idea to run comparative sims for items and gear sets to determine what to equip instead of relying on stat weights. That said, here is a rough ranking of the stats to look for in Pre-Patch.
Agility
Mastery
Versatility
Critical Strike
Haste
Mastery and Versatility are both similarly good secondary stats while Crit ranks further behind them and Haste is something to avoid on items if possible.
Additional info can always be found on
the stats guide
, including an explanation of what the stats do for the spec.
Best Azerite Traits for Subtlety Rogue in Pre-Patch
As always, sims are recommended to evaluate your own gear but here is a priority of solid azerite power choices to make:
Get one
.
Get one
.
For further choices from the spec-specific ring, you can choose one
or more
or
.
With generic powers available, fill the remaining slots with more strong ones like
,
,
,
, or
.
On the inner ring, it's always good to look out for
,
, or
.
While best on Single Target, using the same setup should also be fine in dungeons.
Best Essences for Subtlety Rogue in Pre-Patch
Essences are also a good thing to run a personal sim for. However, here is a recommendation that should give you very solid results.
Major Essence
Single Target:
or
AoE:
Minor Essences
(if you have rank 3) or
Minor essences are also fine this way for every content. The changes in scaling made Crucible of Flame minor extremely strong.
All Shadowlands Subtlety Rogue Changes
For a detailed list of everything changing in Shadowlands for Subtlety Rogue, check out our full Shadowlands Changes guide.
All Subtlety Rogue Changes in Shadowlands
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评论
评论来自
Galbrei
"Fill the remaining slots with solid generic powers like Heart of Darkness, Clockwork Heart, Incite the Pack, Tradewinds, or Blightborne Infusion."
Will Heart of Darkness even work in the Pre-Patch? Doesn't it need 25 corruption or more to activate?
评论来自
Marev
One tiny problem, for some ppl it might be confusing. In "Quick Facts" at "Patch:" field it says 8.3.7 and should 9.0.1 I think?
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