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评论来自
ronanriot
A reward from participating in the arena. Excellent stats, graphics, and name. The only stat weighing this polearm down is it's speed. Warriors will want to look for a much slower weapon.
评论来自
Willas9
Could this one of the first fast 2 handers that a warrior would actually dream of?
I believe so, the melee stats are amazing coupled with a nice stamina boost could make this a nice tool for any arms warrior who isn't just about "big numbers", but lots of numbers too.
评论来自
willaz
From a hunter's perspective:
It's a pretty tight matchup between this and the axe; while the axe is at a 3.6 speed, this polearm gives a bit more resilience. If it wasn't for the overly fast speed I'd take this in a heartbeat, but it looks too damn cool!
评论来自
Chronic
The fast speed might be a boon some classes - not arms warriors, but maybe Paladins who have Reckoning?
You want a weapon that will use up all the chages, if possible. That would be nice with this, although you'd need some haste effects to guarantee all the charges got used. Could be some pretty crazy DPS.
评论来自
36888
This may not be good for an arms warrior, but for a fury warrior, even with the lower whirlwinds, the rage production, the white damage and the bloodthirsts would make it completely worth it.
评论来自
56729
I read what you guys said and I'm a warrior myself. Despite the speed on this weapon, I seem to think that "maybe" a build like this would suit it? What do you guys think? If you guys think it's alright, I might get it.
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/talent=pV0xdAi0MZVVuV0xoVz
评论来自
56729
Sorry forgot to mention I'm sitting on 35.59% crit and 1550 AP right now, so I'm wondering if it's worth it to change.
评论来自
42591
bad weapon, worth getting something else
评论来自
54798
Great weapon for hunters, but much too fast to be useful for warriors/pallies.
评论来自
108079
For an arms warrior this would not be a good choice. For a paladin yeah it could work. But what about a fury warrior? My war is well geared with arena gear but has 69 to hit. If i got this and went fury spec would it be a viable weapon for use in raids when i`m dps?
评论来自
4972
How about combining this with Seal of Blood?
评论来自
103972
I disagree with the statement that 2H is bad for PvE; have you ever heard of the "Slam Rotation"? It relies on a copious amount of extra attacks to bring up a 2H's damage to a "competitive" level, and is primarily an Arms spec. While it's difficult to master and time, it allows a 2H user that isn't a retribution paladin to become a useful slot. (You should be glad I didn't say something stupid about caster staff users and ferals being useless because they used two handed weapons). The only possible problem would be scaling, as dual wielders DO scale better than 2H users.
Even with this in mind, the Painsaw would be a poor Slam rotation weapon, as the instant attacks demand something MUCH slower. In a sign of insanity it looks more suited to something like Heroic Strike. :P
评论来自
1299
FYI...Savagery enchant graphic will not display on this weapon.
评论来自
Allakhazam
This is not good for MS Arms builds... its speed is too fast therefore low max damage... you won't get high crits. For Poleaxe build get the 2h Axe.. slow speed = bigger crits
Trust me on that.. don't buy this if you are a Arms Poleaxe Build.
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评论来自
Allakhazam
It's a test build... see what you think about it.
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/talent=LhrhdAio0oZE0zA0xoVz
Edited, Mar 24th 2007 4:51pm by Azurath
评论来自
Allakhazam
pic plz
评论来自
Allakhazam
Maybe 2h fury isn't dead?
This looks like a very good rage-gen weapon.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Submitted a pic, just wait for 'Zam to update it.
评论来自
Allakhazam
DAAJM , look at this thing...scary
评论来自
Allakhazam
If its good for fury at all, it will be for PvE (and even still it is sketchy as wether you would wanna use a quick 2hander over a slow one). I don't think anyone will use the pole arms.
DPS wise it looks to be on the same plane as the stage 2 craftable weapons for weaponsmiths, a bit lacking in my opinion.
评论来自
Allakhazam
This is better than two one handed gladiator weapons for a hunter.
And no, this isn't good for arms warriors since you want high max dmg for mortal strike and whirlwind.
评论来自
Allakhazam
imho its best PvE weapon for arms(poleaxe) warrior focused on PvP
with flurry proc u get speed 1.45 for next 3 swings..nasty when u have 30%+ crit chance to flurry proc:)
Edited, Jan 29th 2007 12:47pm by tomik
评论来自
Allakhazam
Captain O'Neal now has this available for 27000 honor points and 40AV marks.
评论来自
Thottbot
Well I don't understand the whole "This is loot". This is bought with arena points so if you're a hunter and you want to buy it more power to you.
That said, I'm sitting here as a rogue considering arms warriors and thinking "Dear Lord that Overpower is going to hurt".
评论来自
Thottbot
yeh, well nuff said already.... It's been mentioned enough already, any arms/fury warrior that don't take note of this spec build and this wep.... This is without doubt the Ultimate spec build and wep to go on, screw the Gladitiators Greatsword... Leave it for the idiots :)
评论来自
Thottbot
I have absolutley no idea how effective this weapon will be in
PVP
, but I have some theories that I will test and then i'll update this post. tell me what you think:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?340050213025000000000000505010402501225010000300000000000000000000
Because some warrior moves (Mortal Strike, Slam, Whirlwind) depend on weapon damage, you're gonna lose a lot of that explosive damage that arms warriors depend on. They charge and let loose a couple of massive crushing blows with their instant damage, but after that, there is a long pause until the next wave of those fatal hits. But you're not gonna be an arms warrior with this weapon. You're gonna have pvp gear to have 15 second intercepts (and imp berserker rage to gaurantee you have the rage to intercept). You're going to use your speed and faster rage generation to take advatage of heroic strikes hitting every 1.5 seconds while flurry is up (heroic strikes adding 204 damage, making each hit equivalent that of a Mooncleaver: 500+ uncrit). You're also a hybrid warrior, abusing the arms tree for more crits to support your flurry. Sweeping strikes is you're choice to add, but i find its hard to make it work in pvp unless used with whirlwind (though awesome in pve).
Now comes the advanced warrior who uses weapon switching. With a faster weapon u recover much quicker from weapon switches (as it resets your white damage timer) when u need to you're shield for spell reflection. If u try to switch with a wep with a speed of 3.7, you will have a huge gap between you're strikes. Just another small advantage.
Ok, so why 2handed fury over dual wielding fury? You're going to miss a lot less, your flurry strikes will not be wasted on your offhander, and the concentrated damage u get from not dividing your weapon into 2 weps will amount to a more consistent and reliable damage output.
You'll be an original warrior unlike youre cookie cutter brothers, and you'll be recognized for it.
(I did not get immune to disarm because I'd get Steelgrip Gauntlets
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=23533/
钢钳护手)
评论来自
Thottbot
i wish shammys could use polearms
评论来自
Thottbot
Much lower crits opposed to say: Mooncleaver and slow 1h weaps. As, a warrior i am trying to decide which is better~~ kinda powerful hits but more or~~ huge crits?
评论来自
Thottbot
2h i mean not 1** lol
评论来自
Thottbot
some warriors perfer faster 2h weaps.. personaly i would go for this oer mooncleaver
评论来自
Thottbot
Is this useful for *!@#$%^s?
Better than Crystalforged Axe? :P
评论来自
Thottbot
It is a good 2h for hunters. i have the crystalforge axe currently debating on what to get with new patch.in pvp high end dmg/crits are very welcomed and if your seeking that go for the gladiators axe. its the same 3.50 as the crystalforged axe i beleive slightly lower than the pain saw and i think the crit will lower a tad(vrs the arena axe) however its all about style and spec. Everyone has a diff view.
I'm a bm hunter and have always love speed untill the crystal forged stat and +ap. however im still leaning towards this. its single hits will be around the same as crystal forged but with 1/3 attack inscrease (half asleep srry if spacifics arn't exact)
1h is also a great option for pvping hunters but as a overall play of wow 2h at this lvl are great.
The main thing is though; experience. if you can beat any spec war for instance MAINLY mellee with crystalforged go with this and youll still kick more ass... its PRETTIER!
:P
评论来自
Thottbot
I'm an Arms/Fury Hybrid which uses mainly crits, MS, and whirlwind. I'm just wondering whether this weapon would be a better choice compared with the Greatsword and the Mace. Since I'm using abilities a lot for raids and heroic runs, I'd figure getting a fast attacking weapon is better as I can get more hits in there (*especially when flurry comes into play).
DoriathZor @ Dunemaul
评论来自
Thottbot
Ret Pallies are far better off with a slower weapon. SoC will proc more with a slower weapon and it will hit harder (crusader strike, too). And as for this not being a hunter weapon I dont see why it's not. The stats are nice for a hunter and even if it is better in the hand of a melee class, they aren't rolling against anyone for it. I won't say much about this being used by a warrior because I don't have a warrior myself. It will produce more attacks (obviously), but for an MS war it wont be as bursty because of it's low damage.
评论来自
Thottbot
would you recommend this to a ret pally?
cua i wanna get it =)
评论来自
Thottbot
hello warriors
and/or people
that knows abit about
warriors with 2handed weapons ,
first of all , please don't mind my bad english.
I have a warrior currently equipping Gladiator's painsaw but i also got Despair a few days after. Now i'm hearing alot of people say that Despair is way better because of its speed and the 'chance on hit' thing beautifully combines with the sword specc.
The problem is i'm a pure PvP warrior (yust doing karazhan for a change) and people say Despair is still better than the painsaw (wich is created 2 have an improved impact in PvP while PvE drops are mostly (= not always) just mend for PvE and are more effective in PvE then in PvP))
I think it's kind of stupid giving up resilience , crit rating (wich is also improved @ poleaxe spec. , and since resil. these days greatly decreases crit. chances its kind of vital , especially for us warriors)and stamina just because of the speed. and chance on hit. (wich are less needed then stam. , resil. and crit. for a PvP warr)
this is lately slowly comming up as a new aggresive discussion (between the warriors) about what is most effective in PvP ; slow (3.5+) or abit faster (2.2+/-) 2 handed weapons.
Because warriors with faster 2 handed weapons (with stats where 2h specc warriors are based on) are outnumbered compared 2 the warriors carrying slow 2handers i'm getting alot of childish reactions with wich they bassicly try 2 tell me that no warrior would EVER take a fast 2handed weapon , but i also got some positive reactions from warriors , wich carry slow weapons themselves or got the same polearm i do , about faster 2h weapons.
I would like 2 put an end too this discussion and could use the opinions and theories of adult non-childish people ,
thank you
...and again please dont mind my bad English / typing :)
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Thottbot
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