Insanity... crafted weapon.
So uh, anyone going swordsmith now? :P
The real question is... will this be able to stack with a crusader enchant for a total of 200 Strength if the two happen to proc at the same time.
So how does this work? If you have the earlier version you can just upgrade?
To make Lionheart Executioner you have to be Master Swordsmith. Reagents are:
1x Lionheart Champion
20x Nether Vortex
The question is: this Lionheart or Stormherald/Deep Thunder?
Creating this one is a long process... Nether Vortex's are rumored only to drop in 25.man instances
The weapon speed thing everyone discuss about is outdated. Many months ago, every instant attack got "weapon dmg + weapon speed * attack power bonus". So a slow weapon gave you MUCH more benefit from your AP.
But this was patched. For a long time we get 3.3 * AP on every instant attack. No weapon speed modifier anymore.
Now, a solid min/max dmg + good stats are much more important than wearing the slowest weapon in the game. Sure, slower weapons have higher max. damage than faster weapons with the same dps. But 20 max. dmg more are much less important, than you maybe think about. And don't forget, +5% chance for an extra attack is more valuable with high end equip, than +5% crit.
i agree with Kasotai who needs crit when you can hit people for as much as a crit without taking in resilience factor also as an arms warrior this would make MS and heroic strike deadly YAY ME
Can Crits miss or not?
The only real source for answer of this question is this Blizzard post. There exist two ways to interprete it.
One school ("Crits can miss") claims that the half-sentence "if you have a 5% crit rate, that 5% chance includes misses" means that a crit can be a miss, so if you have a 10% crit chance, and 5% miss chance, only 8 swings out of 100 will crit in the average. This means that each swing can be either a hit or a miss, and crits are calculated completely independently.
The other school ("Three outcomes") claims that the mathematical formulas given later in the post make clear that crits may never miss, and that a swing can have exactly one of three outcomes - crit, hit or miss. The probability for each of these three is calculated separate, the only restriction is that their sum has to be 100%.
Argument for Crits may miss
There are many crit modifying spells within the game which can miss (such as Cold Blood).
A way to confirm or deny this, would be to let a rogue with 300 dagger skill, no +% talents or effects, use only auto-attack on a (preferrably healing-class) player with no +def for about an hour or longer. Record his crit per swing, and compare that to the crit chance displayed in his tooltip. It is however crucial that the mod/program/whatever which is recording, only recordes crit per swing and not crit per hit. So it would have to count swings, and count crits, and then divide the first by the later. Then redo the entire thing with, respectively, more %hit and more %crit.
Argument for three outcomes
The counter-argument to the "cold blood may miss" argument is that you may never increase your crit chance at the cost of your miss chance, i.e. if you have a 5% miss chance, you crit chance cannot increase beyond 95%. Using cold blood only guarntees that you will never see a normal hit, it does nothing to your miss chance.
Interpreting the blizzard post with the following steps:
"The crit rate includes misses" is a contradiction to the assumption that crits, hits and misses are the three possible, separate outcomes of a swing.
Replacing "misses" by "swings that do not hit" yields: "The crit rate includes swings that do not hit".
This version of the sentence matches the formulas
This rather formal way of interpretation assumes a little slip in the natural language used by Blizzard. If there are three different outcomes, replacing "miss" with "not a hit" is mathematically a severe error. In natual language though it's only a slight imprecision. In other words, Blizzard uses the term "miss" a little loose, they mean it to include all swings which are not normal hits.
When Sword and Poleaxe specialization are compared alone, they are essentially the same. Both provide an additional 5% chance to do double damage, whether in a second swing or a crit. However, when considered with any preexisting crit chance, sword specialization has the added ability to crit on either hit, and also has the very small chance of a third swing, etc. Talents such as impale and deep wounds make poleaxe specialization more favorable because they can improve the damage of critical strikes. +Damage abilities also favor +crit chance because the +dmg is also doubled during a crit. Target hit and crit resistances, as well as abilities triggered by critical strikes (blood craze and enrage) should also be taken into account. Although sword spec gives the potential for higher burst damage, this situation is rare.
This is going to be hard to do but I am going to craft both this and the Blazefury for my Prot. Paladin. This when I am not the tank and the Blazefury for when I am. It will be hard but oh well.
sword procs can miss/parry/ be dodged, and then your 5% proc is now garbage. Where as if you have crit spec, if it is missed/parry/dodged it was going to be anyway and you missed nothing.
Also, the crit spec affects MS, overpower, heroic strike, cleave, slam, in addition to white damage.
Quite obvious which one is better.
However, double paladin, double warrior, and a elemental shaman arena teams with the warriors having stormherald/mace spec is the most overpowered thing in the game atm, so I'd recommend that over the other specs if you're a warrior at the time of this post if you're PvP oriented.
For enchants I would go with Mongoose over Crusader, Mongoose will cost you a lot more but it far better imo. Gives you 120 Agility and a minor weapon speed increase. And it's a BC Enchant so it doesn't recieve the lvl 60-70 deminish. Also a question, If you enchanct the Lionheart Blade does the enchant stay with the weapon or is it destroyed? I'm assuming that It won't stay but just curious.
This weapon currently has the most dps other then wands and GM weapons. Even though it beats the other tier 3 weapons by like 0.1 - 0.3. But still I think it has the best graphic and the Stormherald is close next to the Bloodmoon.
RIght now a heavily arena/PvP geared player can have 5% reduced crit change and and around 10% dmg from resilience. This kind of gear becomes more common every day as arena teams build up more and more points. I think we will see a greater acceptation of sword spec from pvp warriors.
The complete mats for the Lionheart Blade,Champion and Executioner are:
1. 10 Primal Might’s (Mats Listed Below)
2. 10 Primal Mana (100 motes)*Can me farmed in Netherstorm off of Mageslayer's and Mana Wraith's*. You can also use an Engineering Item (305 Req) to Extract gas (
3. 10 Primal Earth (100 motes)*Can be mined from Fel Iron Deposits, Khorium Veins, Adamantite Deposit and Rich Adamantite Deposit. Can also be farmed from Earth Elementals in Nagrand (All around Oshu'Gun) and Shadowmoon Valley (All around the Hand of Guldan)
4. 10 Primal Water (100 motes)*Farmed from Water elementals found in Nagrand (Kind of under Halla), Terrokar Forest and Zangramarsh. Can also be fished in Nagrand, Terrokar Forest and Zangramarsh
5. 10 Primal Air (100 motes)*Can be farmed off Air Elementals in Nagrand (Around 67,24 lvl 70-71), Shadowmoon Valley (North and South of the Black Temple)
6. 10 Primal Fire (100 motes)*Can me mined from Fel Iron Deposits. Can also be farmed off of Fire elementals in Nagrand (Around 67,24) and Shadowmoon Valley*
7. 6 Hardened Adamantite Bars or 120 Adamantite Ore (325 and 350 for Rich). Requires 375 mining to make the Hardened Bar.
8. 14 Khorium Bars or 28 Khorium Ore (375 Mining). Can be farmed at Hellfire Peninsula around the Dark Portal.
9. 2 Primal Mights (Mats above)
10. 12 Primal Nether (Farmed from Heroic Instances(Last boss with exception of Ramparts, drops off of Omor) and Normal(Has a lower drop rate)).
11. 20 Nether Vortexs, drops from 25 man runs such as Serpentine Lair.
Nether Vortex will be easy to get? I'm really confusing. Is every crafters in the team could get one or more from the Boss or just one or more Vortex and need the leader to hand out them?
Nether Vortex will drop from trash in TK in 2.1
you need 5 for this sword
Swordspec get fixed in Patch 2.1:
"- Sword Specialization: This ability now grants extra yellow attacks
instead of extra white attacks. It also grants rage based on the
speed of your weapon. This change will make Sword Specialization
no longer reset the weapon swing timer when it triggers off special
attacks, and results in a net increase in damage dealt. "
I can confirm this: Impale works now with Swordspec, it cannot glance and generate Rage. Procchance is round about ~5%.
Does the fear resist stack with talents like the paladins' Unyielding Faith? (10% fear resist)
ok back up 2 what they where saying earlier about a crit missing, it doesnt miss, if it missed it wasnt a crit for that reason and that u cannot miss a crit if u want me 2 back it up i will
im amazed nobody mentioned how good this would be on an orc warrior even over the Axe with the talent iron will plus the racial 15% you hit roughly 38% stun and charm resist with this.
Personally, I would not craft this weapon (Or go Master Swordsmith, for that matter) as a Warrior. Sword Specialization is great, but the weapon itself isn't that good. It has no stamina (which is vital for PvP and arena), compared to the mace (+61 stam), and wasted item points on a fear resist (which the class does not need).
I can't comment on this for Retribution Paladins or 2h Shamans, but it seems to be the weakest of the Blacksmithing weapons.
Gonna craft this for my retri pala, i use sob over soc so the loss of stun isnt that great, id rather take 100 str chance any day. Would prefer some stamina over the fear resist tho.
Honestly I think they need to bring it down to just 1 Nether Vortex required ( and the Champion ofcoarse ).
On my server ( Ysera ) nobody for Horde has wielded this sword yet, in 25 man raids with almost all profesions wanting a vortex for their epic whatever, it makes it very unlikely to be able to obtain 5.
I have no hope of ever getting this sword as of now, even in my well raiding guild. When I obtain the Champion I plan on getting my super enchants on it.
The Screenshot for this Sword is the Champion version NOT the Executioner
The tier 3 of this sword has an golden glow to it and it is also wider or well...more of an edge to it
As of patch 2.2, the Lionheart series of blades which have the strength proc will now play a unique sound upon proccing. Rumor has it the sound is that of a lion's roar.
As of patch 2.2, the Lionheart proc (
) plays the same sound you hear when Crusader proc's, and it triggers a small red "boiling" swirl above your head for the entire duration.
Compared to Lionheart Champion
+3% to resist fear
+36 top end damage
Slightly higher proc rate from the buff "Lionheart" (+100str)
In fact, Lionheart Champion is not hard to upgrade to Lionheart Executioner. If your guild has cleared Karazhan and is starting upon SSC, you will have it in no time. About 3 Nether Vortex's dropped during clearing the trash mobs before Hydross The Unstable when I ran SSC with my guild for the first time. It might just be luck, can't really say. Of course, others will probably need the vortexes too, but 5 Vortex's aint bad for that awesome upgrade.
In all honesty.... This is the best reason to go sword spec. Yes it's lvl 60. and yes it's Alliance (lol) but it's still an amazing pvp video. And as far as i remember, sword spec hasnt been changed since (still only procs off white hits for warriors). I may not know much, but i know that swords is the way to go. The sword may not come with stamina, but take a look at the massive dmg you can deal with this thing... It's worth it to me.
If you're doubting the sweet deal you get when you spec for swords, watch this... And put all your cares aside.
Grand Marshall Maydie
I could swear I've seen swordspec proc off of mortal strike, heroic strike and even hamstring lately.
Since nobody's posted this yet:-
Both the name and the shape of this sword are a reference to "Thundercats", the 80s cartoon.
Looks more like the thundercats logo to me, but hey, each to their own ^^
You have a link to a better image of the griever symbol?
too bad u cant upgrade swords to match BT quality weapons
i got a Ret pally and i only got problem with fear during pvping, so i was thinking about spending some talent point in holy talent tree to get the
so i got 12-8-41
so its 10%(
) =18% fear resist
also i can activate Shadow Resistance Aura before attacking warlock or priest so i get more chance to resist there fears/spells .
so imo i think its maybe better from Stormherald coz it got the fear resist + i
that Stormherald stun proc going to get nerfed coz there was alot of talk about it recently.
and about suggestion that says Stormherald Stun-proc can be used for Judgement of Command, imo Ret pallys always spam judgement when its available so they do more damage to the enemy , and the way i play paladin i dont think that iam gona w8 for the Stormherald stun proc so i cast my judgement, and if u gona w8 for the stun proc to happen any time so i think most of the time (if it wasnt all the time) your judgement will be on cooldown.
if any 1 can help by giving me more infos about increasing the fear resist will be appreciated.
and sorry about my bad English :)
The fear break is decent for ret paladins but i think at this point it would be completely foolish for a warrior to spend the gold to craft this when he can just get the s2 sword for honor. Even for pve they are both about the same damage, and for pvp this thing has no stam at all or resilience which makes it pretty awful. If you're a sword pvp warrior i'd just wait and get the s2 merc sword for honor.
What is the proc chance on the sword?
this weapon would probably be the best for a Blood Elf Ret Pala to get cause of SoB, Alliance Pala's should get
because of the simple fact they only have SoC to have fun with
Not 100% sure this if this is the sword or the mongoose enchant, pretty sure its the sword, but whenever the sword is in motion, aka you're riding or swinging the sword it has a trailing stream of 3-4 rows of large orange spheres moving behind it. Whenever trailing people who have mongoose on other weapons, I have not noticed this, I got the sword enchanted immediately upon crafting, so I did not notice this before, and you need to have your "Spell Effects" option maxed to see it, and no I am not referring to the orange swords glow from mongoose, as this effect occurs anytime the sword is in motion, looks pretty cool, I uploaded a screenshot so you could see which shows it trailing behind the sword while its pulled back and hits an npc, I did have some riding shots, but the spheres are very faint and hard to capture with screen capture, unless you took a movie and pulled out the exact frame.
I also uploaded a screenshot of the proc animation (swirling small red bubbles above your head) as well.
Full S1 and S3 off items, honored Aldor shoulder enchant, no head enchant, with BoM and BS + Lionheart Proc and Mongoose, I go from:
30.90% Crit (Berserker Stance - Mostly +hit gems)
SHORT SUMMARY: For those of you who don't feel like reading, Stormherald will do more damage per hit by a small margin, but Lionheart's proc, when averaged over time, might add a little more damage.
I'm not completely sure Ret should automatically go for Stormherald in PvE for raids.
The arguments for Stormherald are:
Slower weapon speed means higher average damage, thereby buffing both Seal of Command and Crusader Strike, which are both based on weapon damage.
The stun proc will cause Judgment of Command to hit harder.
The stats give 20 more AP and slightly more crit.
Fear resistance. Mostly useless for raid DPS, but I'm mentioning it just so it isn't left out.
The proc adds 200 AP for 10 seconds.
Base weapon DPS calcs:
Lionheart's hits average 459 damage, Stormherald's average 482.5. Difference: 23.5, Stormherald deals 105.12% of Lionheart's damage. These are white hits, and since both weapons have their speed and damage average to 127 DPS, this calculation by itself is irrelevant. What is important here is that Stormherald deals 105.12% of Lionheart's damage, so all of the attacks the paladin uses that are based on weapon damage will do 5.12% more with Stormherald.
Lionheart's SoC hits (459*.7) average 321.3, Stormherald's average 337.75. Difference: 16.45, again 105.12%.
Lionheart's Crusader Strike hits (459*1.1) average 504.9, Stormherald's average 530.75. Difference: 25.85, again 105.12%.
Judgment of Command does roughly twice its normal damage when the target is stunned, as well. These facts make Stormherald seem like the better DPS option for a Ret paladin. However, I have found several convincing counter-arguments.
Lionheart adds another 20 AP, which is roughly 1.43 DPS. The attack speed for Lionheart is 3.6, meaning you multiply the damage per second by number of seconds (1.43*3.6) to get the damage per hit (DPH). That comes out to 5.15 more DPH from stats than Stormherald. Since the 20 AP I calculated was just the advantage of Lionheart over Stormherald and not the total, I can just add it to the average DPH I already had for Lionheart without skewing the innate DPH difference between the two from speed. That means Lionheart comparatively has 464.15 DPH where Stormherald would have 482.5, narrowing the difference from 5.12% to 3.9%. Remember, I'm talking about nothing more than the weapon's base DPH and AP here, both of which are scaled the same for white attacks as they are for SoC procs and Crusader Strike, so the previous calcs still apply. To get the total percent increase in damage from this, I would need to calculate the number of procs per minute of Seal of Command (which is PPM, so neither weapon would proc more often, favoring the slightly slower Stormherald, which is why most people would use it) which I honestly don't know, and the amount of times "per second" Crusader Strike is used (1/6), which figures out to a DPS increase of .1667%, I would estimate that with all of the calculations made so far, factoring in only melee attacks, SoC procs, and Crusader Strikes, total damage would go up around 1%, or probably a bit lower. That's actually a few points of DPS, and not negligible, which means Stormherald still has the advantage thus far.
However, Lionheart also has a proc that adds 100 Strength, which is 200 AP unbuffed, or 220 with BoK. Depending on proc rate, adding 200 AP (or 220) every 30 seconds, or every minute, or every minute and a half, etc. could very well increase DPS beyond Stormherald's fairly small advantage. Remember, 200 AP applies to all of the Paladin's white hits, SoC procs, and Crusader Strikes just like Stormherald's base DPH advantage does. The only question is whether or not the proc's bursts of a lot of extra damage would average out to more than the consistent but very small advantage of Stormherald's DPH.* Having seen procs such as Crusader, Destiny, and Rage of the Unraveller on several characters, I have a hunch that the Lionheart proc would outdo the Stormherald's DPH.
*People also bring up the fact that JoC does more damage when the target is stunned, so this weapon also increases damage from JoC. I think this is generally a specious claim, since the proc rate on the stun, according to a Wowhead post, is about 1.4%, meaning that you would have to sit around with your Judgment already cooled down waiting for a proc to "capitalize" on the extra damage if you were using it in PvE, rather than using your Judgment as part of your normal rotation, thereby hitting much more often with it. Also, bosses are going to be immune to the stun effect, anyway, so it becomes worthless against them.
Frankly, it's a tossup. I am personally going to craft Lionheart Executioner for my Ret Paladin once I get him to 70, because I think it's probably a little better for PvE DPS, and the difference is probably so small that if I'm wrong, it's not going to matter much. I realize that was a very long post to read, but I didn't think it would get quite that long.
I wonder if Blizz would make another version of the Lionheart to couple with Season 4's release. Or they might just let it alone and people would only use this until their team gets good enough so they can use the spatula sword.
This is obviously a Warrior/Paladin Weapon, if you would like to get the 20 Nether Vortex's then you would need your pets to tank all the bosses, I would think you would wipe nearly every boss. Any warrior that is not a Black Smith, they are idiotic. 123.7 DPS and the stats are too insane to pass up. So once again Hunters, if you would like this weapon Re-roll warrior get it to 70 get it attuned for everything possible then u can $%^&* and whine if its a Hunter weapon. Warriors will get the most for these stats by being melee class and using it to the fullest. Ok hunters imagine the best range weapon in the game, then imagine a Warrior rolling against you for it. Thats how we feel when you noobs think that every weapon is a "HUNTER" weapon.
Thanks for understanding you dumb ass Range class.
Ps. Hunters only use Melee weapons for Wing Clip, and mabey Raptor strike. Now STFU all you hunters about the end BS level Weapons except for the Axe one which has no stats 'cept the AP and Crit rating.
Throy, Arms/Fury warrior.
Thats the spirit give it to them DUDE!All thos hunters that are posting for this great 2h weapon and other weapons !Warriors,palladins thats who shall take this weapon,well done dude !1
Ok ok le me just say all can have this blade who can equip 2H weapons and 2H swords,but !@#$%^&s never !I mean what can do @#$%^&*s with this.. nothing!Then need Their bows and guns nothink els so pls %^&*!@#s stop posting for 2H weapons go you dual wield and STFU!
that was noobish. Have you ever noticed those little things under the dps on weapons? there called stats.
Ok ok le me just say all can have this blade who can equip 2H weapons and 2H swords,but &*!@#$%s never !I mean what can do !@#$%^&s with this.. nothing!Then need Their bows and guns nothink els so pls ^&*!@#$s stop posting for 2H weapons go you dual wield and STFU!
Here it is! The first Lionheart Executioner on Sentinels!
free crusader enchant
but maybe it would cost like hell...
it might even be fake but i dont know...
it is lvl 70 after all...
ok ik uber good 8-)
Some stamina would be nice...
To: Bah Arms warriors, Obviously a Fury warrior wep.
65 Human warrior
Human Warriors = whole lot of Pwning.
You are a noob are you crazy,warrior's on fury with this blade? you are the worst wow player that i ever seen you ing noob,i mean Omniryu has TOTALY RIGHT warrior's are the ultimative destruction mashine in arms and especialy with 2H weapons and this blade is 2Handed you noob.
PS:Pls pls no more noob posts
This weapon is very real, its the final stage of the lionheart blade (the final mast swordsmith 2 hander currently implemented).
You need 20 Nether Vortexes and the Lionheart Champion to make the executioner. I suspect that the Nether Vortex is a drop in Hyjal part of the Caverns of Time, is an epic level 70 reagent used in a lot of end-game patterns.
Excuse me noobish post?Ok &*!@#$%s need agility,but not on 2h weapons dual wield is much much bether on a &*!@#$% so pls i am not a noob i know to play all classes ^^
Well, I disagree that hunters should duel wield. My polearm is MUCH better than any pair of 1h weapons i've been able to find so whoever says we should stick to duel wielding is an idiot. However...this particular weapon is not meant for hunters...at all.
you guys hunters can use two 1h weapons or a 2h its more of a personal prefrence. this is not a hunter sword but you shouldnt call people #$%^&*! just because they dont use 2 1h weapons
have you ever seen a sonic spear
a perfect hunter weapon and its a 2h
Arms war wet dream, also very nice for hunters (i know i know, Im sorry. But it is true =(.)
This sword is NOT a hunter sword. Hunters need stats and strength isnt one of em. 40 Agility doesnt count anymore as sweet attack power since the nerf, and 100 strength is not 200 atack power as for warriors so, better find yourself another weapon boys cause this is only Warrior, and pally. :)
See above Weapon. Look at it's awesome. Who can deny it's a delicious creature? I can't. That's for sure.
Now, we'll take a simple Savagery Enchant. Who doesn't like Attack Power? Everyone I know (that's mele) does. If you're mele, and hate Attack Power, you should just go roll yourself a priest.
Now, let's take an Arms Warrior. Aren't they fun, in their plate gear, and their 10% Damage bonus to 2H Weapons? Yes, the Arms Warrior is a mighty creature.
Now, let's assign his talents! Well, skipping the obvious, we'll go straight to taking Sword Spec. 5% Chance on Hit, free attack! How lovely! We'll also take Deathwish, so that the talent build is like so: 40/21/0.
Now, we'll smile, as they hit twice on an attack. Oh, wait. Don't each of those hits have a chance to proc this? What's that? 100 Strength, which is 200 Attack Power, is amazing? Hmmm... But, wait, there's more?
Deathwish increases Damage Dealt by 20%? What about when you're Enraged? An Additional 25% you say? Hmm, sounds like over 1200 Top End damage to me! Hmm... looks like Arms Warriors go with "We win your SOUL here," and rape you in the face with this.
Questions? Comments? Concerns? No?
Edited, May 21st 2007 7:02pm by Throy
definatly a hunter weapon, i mean look at the stats
Though stormherald is superior to this weapon for pvp, sword spec imo is much more fun to play. Besides, you can totally make both with the nether vortex change. :p
This is obviously a Warrior/Paladin Weapon, if you would like to get the 20 Nether Vortex's then you would need your pets to tank all the bosses, I would think you would wipe nearly every boss. Any warrior that is not a Black Smith, they are idiotic. 123.7 DPS and the stats are too insane to pass up. So once again Hunters, if you would like this weapon Re-roll warrior get it to 70 get it attuned for everything possible then u can !@#$% and whine if its a Hunter weapon. Warriors will get the most for these stats by being melee class and using it to the fullest. Ok hunters imagine the best range weapon in the game, then imagine a Warrior rolling against you for it. Thats how we feel when you noobs think that every weapon is a "HUNTER" weapon.
Thanks for understanding you dumb ass Range class.
Ps. Hunters only use Melee weapons for Wing Clip, and mabey Raptor strike. Now STFU all you hunters about the end BS level Weapons except for the Axe one which has no stats 'cept the AP and Crit rating.
Throy, Arms/Fury warrior.
Jesus man, I want one. For future reference, what the hell is a nether vortex and where do u get it?
THis is a hunter wep.
I have a #$%^&*!. But there comes a point when melee takes precedence over the range for melee weapons. Strength, crusader; a !@#$%^& craves not these things.
120 Mote of Fire
120 Mote of Water
120 Mote of Air
120 Mote of Earth
120 Mote of Mana
28 Khorium Ore
120 Adamantite Ore
12 Primal Nether
20 Nether Vortex
This is a list of everything you will need to make the Lionheart Blade, upgrade it to Lionheart Champion, then upgrade it again to Lionheart Executioner.
jeez this is incredible, i was on a friends human pally who has this, he can hit around 1k with all his stats and 1.6k with crit, awesome wep
this is good.
Cant wait to see it in action :D
so do i have to be a master swordsmith to use it or just gotta have some guy whos a master swordsmith make it?
Warrior, hunter, who cares?
In order to make this, you need master sword smithing.
If any hunter for some stupid reason wants to devote this much money and time into making a melee weapon, go for it. Don't forget to make your hand of rag first.
I just read all of the comments and WTF? First craft it, then talk. Really. Newbs.
u need master swords smith to use this weapon or only to make it?
40 adamantite ore
28 khorium ore
12 primal fire
12 primal water
12 primal mana
12 primal air
12 primal earth
12 primal nether
20 nether vortex
patterns for all "lionheart swords"
Right here’s a break down of the tier 3 craftables for warriors based on my opinion:
small proc chance on deep thunder, hardly ever procs tbh and I know this because I have PVPed my friends warrior. not sure on proc chance of stormheraled but based on the fact that there is little difference between Deep and Storm in other respects, I am pretty sure that there will be a massive contrast in proc rate of the stun either, you are relying on chance with this stun. However awesome stats.
similar to storm I should imagine, low proc rate on the crusader buff but I suppose if you get sword spec (extra swing) flurry (so attack speed will increase = more swings over time = more hits and hence chances for proc and crusader then this will probably improve quite significantly. Just theories though I have never used this wep tbh… 5% chance to resist fear is a beast though imo although quite a small chance.
all reliable stats. Combine this with axe spec and that’s and extra 7.5% chance to crit from your weapon alone. Nice attack power buff which would imo, ensure that this baby hits higher than other two and nice dps (which admittedly is evident among all three of the tier three weapons) this would be the weapon I would choose. Furthermore, none of these buffs are based on luck, crit is a general chance scenario but nether the less, this weapon just helps to ensure that when you fight someone, they die very quickly.
These are just my personal thoughts which I thought I would share with you. Hope it helps :D
which of these is better for a ret paladin lionheart of bloodmoon, everyone talks about warriors and hunters
ok honestly referring to the post about the three tiers let me give you an updated view with the new patch and the arena
Stormherald: does actually proc alot they must have upped the proc rate because it is going around 5-6 times per minute which is beastly and it adds lots of stam. Harder hits. Less burst damage then lionheart but the proc is gooood.
Lionheart Executioner: unlike bloodmoon it stats don't rely on crit it has constant dps and in arena the crit is really useless when you get into higher rating's because teams have so much +resi it makes the crit worthless. and sword spec adds that needed burst damage. the proc rate is also very high procs alot the +100 str one.
Bloodmoon: don't get me wrong it's a great wpn but in the higher tier's of arena it shines a little less then bg's because of the fact they have all this +resi and this wpn is only as good as the other too because it has +7.5% crit chance that gets mitigated what do u have? really nothing. Bloodmoon = PVE/PVP not arena
just my 2 cents
Look at this video what u can do with this sword!I word ...omg...
I have to say, with an Executioner enchant, this is one of the cooler looking things I've ever seen.
For once on Thottbot I'd like to see comments comparing this to other weapons. WE GET IT! These are not hunter weapons. People posting as a joke that these are hunter weapons needs to stop. All that does is stir up all the warriors and ret pallies completely derailing the topic.
Anyone that has discovered thottbot and read through 5 minutes worth of post will learn that. If they are not on thottbot then they are scrub and you shouldn't invite them to your party.
My first question to any hunter before I invite them is, "Do you know what thottbot is?"
Ret Paladin in my guild has this with executioner enchant on it, he is badass at dps and ranks in top 5 easy on damage meters in raids. This with that chant is the coolest looking thing ever.
Well, the twinblade
really isn't half bad of a sword, with sockets it is very comparable to these tier weapons. To get the tier 3 weapons, you'd be in Tempest Keep anyway for the Nether Vortexes, which is where the twinblade drops. You might want to consider the cost of leveling BSing and the swords to the drop chance on the twinblade.
the sword of swords that can be made on swordsmithing enie hunter that whats this is a NOOB this sword is marked warrior/paladin
My Paladin reached level 70 with about 8K Gold in his pocket...
Took him 3,500g to buy all the mats, and another 500g on Executioner Enchant (So badarsh)
Ran Karazhan the next day and got some epics, followed by ZA.
I can crit for 3K with this baby in just Tier 4, So imagine me running up to you and then hitting you for 6K followed by a Crusader strike...
Patch 2.4 FTW
alright guys i'm havin a hard time choosing what i want to make i'm a ret pally and want to stay a ret pally. so far i've mainly used swords and have lvled up that skill and not so much mace and axe. it looks like the axe would be the best for dps having the more crit and increasing the AP. the sword offers strength and agi both which come out to less then what the axe gives. correct? (i honestly dont know). but the mace gives strength and agi(like the sword only slightly less on the agi and 10 less on the str) but its the only one with stam and lets face it staying alive longest is good. so being a ret pally would i want to go for the axe?
Just got this on my Warrior.
This thing has become easier to get now that the nether vortex's are no longer BOP. Took me 3 days to get gold to buy them, they are going for between 300-350 gold each on anachronos.
Found the lionheart ability procs quite alot, very useful as well. There arn't any more weapons with higher DPS outside of high-end raiding and the arena so this is a decent weapon to choose if your not into the hardcore raiding stuff.
I play my warrior in normal pvp bg's, so i won't be gettign the raiding weapons and the arena doesn't appeal to me atm so It'll be a while till I get anything better.
this thing looks so badass with executioner on it. if you get it i'd strongly advise to get executioner
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