评论来自 19757

I hope this is wrong because this is quite underwhelming if so.

评论来自 18431

I agree with Redd....They need to do something to make it more desirable besides that you need to down Kael for it.

评论来自 16717

Tempest keep is only the second hardest keyed instance to access. Doesn't require you to set foot in gruul's, karazhan, or magtheridon. Theres still loot to be seen from vashj, hyjal, and black temple.

Far too early to say anything about the casual to endgame gear-gap.

Hell, if you want a better representation of the casual-endgame gear gap, compare bullets:
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=31735
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=23773

评论来自 Quintuple

I think you might be confusing the non-raid part of Tempest Keep with the raid part. There are 3 5-man instances in Tempest Keep, and 1 25-man raid instance. The raid instance is comparable with Serpentshrine Cavern, another 25-man raid instance in Coilfang Reservoir.

To access this place, you need to have done the Cipher of Damnation questline (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/quest=10588, scroll down to the comment of marskid2 for the complete questline) in Shadowmoon Valley, then do Shattered Halls (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/quest=10884), Shadow Labyrinth, The Steamvaults (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/quest=10885) and The Arcatraz (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/quest=10886) on Heroic Mode. Then, you need to defeat Magtheridon (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/quest=10888), so yes, you have to set foot in Magtheridon's Lair.

The bosses in this place can drop the Tier 5 set pieces (like https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30247 for example, http://boards.worldofraids.com/topic-2855-1.html has another piece that does drop from a boss in here), just like in Serpentshrine Caverns. Proof from the official Blizzard website: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/armorsets/, look all the way down to the comments to the sets:
"Tier 5 raid set: This armor can be obtained from Kelara (Aldor) or Veynna Dawnstar (Scryer) in Shattrath City using tokens obtained from Serpentshrine Cavern and Tempest Keep."

On to this particular neckpiece, it seems to be rather balanced, it's not earthshaking, but that's probably because there are just so many new and mighty items that shipped with TBC that this just doesn't seem to be too good. However, when compared with other neckpieces like https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30099 or https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30022, this item doesn't seem to be too bad. Also, when you use the formulas described on this page: http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Item_Values, the item value you get is quite a bit higher than those 2 other items.

Conclusion: It might seem to be underpowered, but it's probably not.

评论来自 41820

well looking at the name it's probably a reward you get in for turning in Kael's head? just like Onyxia and Nefarian?
I heard Blizzard was working on giving one player in the raid Vasjh and Kael rewards if you killed them.

评论来自 28385

One of the rewards from the quest called Kael'thas and the Verdant Sphere (completed by killing Kael'thas Sunstrider, the end boss in The Eye). https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/quest=11007

And judging from the comments that A'Dal makes upon completion of the quest, could it be that Sargeras is alive again in Azeroth?!

评论来自 98638

This has more avoidance than any other necklace in the game. Most definetly worth obtaining for an avoidance set for a tank.

评论来自 Allakhazam

Its a good idea. Now people dont have to argue over armor and weapons. It eliminates all that "Hunter weapon" sh*t. Makes life a lot easier

评论来自 Allakhazam

Definatley a mage item...

评论来自 Allakhazam

wowarmory says its a quest item http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30007 can any one verify i want this item bad!

评论来自 Allakhazam

It just rolls off the toungue so nicely!

评论来自 Allakhazam

Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to keep the name like this, or use it on all weapons.
Now everybody has to agree this is a tank neck, no more discussion...

评论来自 Thottbot

where is this bad boy from? i want :P

评论来自 Thottbot

According to the new armory feature this neck is a quest reward from: Kael'thas and the Verdant Sphere.

评论来自 Thottbot

Am i mistaken, or is this the best Tanking necklace out there? (SBV FTW!)

Please link a better one if I AM wrong...

评论来自 Thottbot

Pendant of Titans has:

+3 stam
+2 dodge rating
+20 hit rating
-6 def
-14 shield block rating

over the darkener's grasp

For Warriors and Druids, shield block is a almost worthless stat., defense is always good but once you get 490 its usually more more worth it to stack your points into parry/dodge. Stamina you can never say no to. +hit rating is definitely an important stat for all tanking classes to generate aggro.

Unless you are a paladin struggling for the extra avoidance to become uncrushable, which by this point you shouldn't be. Then I'd say the pendant of the titans is better.

评论来自 Thottbot

Where do i star quest? Or how can i get it?

评论来自 Thottbot

For Warriors and Druids, shield block is a almost worthless stat.

How wrong you are. Dodge and parry is good and all but what happens when you dont dodge? You get beaned for a damn good chunk o dmg. Block is a fantastic stat for tanking. You can have good dodge and parry + slip in a good chunk of block and your set.

Currently I am blocking 790dmg per hit with 2piece T5 bonus. Mixed with 25%+ dodge and 18% parry with full raid buffs and a 38% chance to block it makes a fantastic stat. If all you do is focus your dodge then you must solely be in kara. Some bosses just hit too fast/hard to rely on dodge and you need to mitigate more dmg, ergo BLOCK. GG

评论来自 Thottbot

Ofcourse since druids don't have shields shieldblock is worthless to them, however I've yet to see the warrior who says shiledblock is worthless.

评论来自 Thottbot

This is great for any kind of tank mostly pallys and warriors though since druids dont block but like to dodge as often.

评论来自 Thottbot

While possibly inferior to other necklaces in higher raids (Pendant of the Titans and the new Heroic Badge neck come to mind) for some aspects, this neck is an absolute godsend for those trying to build a passive uncrushibility set. It is the best neck in the game for that purpose.

评论来自 Thottbot

Where do I start this quest?

评论来自 Thottbot

were dos this qst begin and how do we get the pendent

评论来自 Thottbot

as a warrior tank personally i prefer hit/exp, stam and parry over block rating due to the fact i always have shield block up except for on tidewalker or other bosses with random swing timers. Shield block rating is excellent for paladin tanks though as most of their threat comes from blocking. Personally I would prefer the neck off karathress or the new neck from shattered sun offensive rep.

评论来自 Thottbot

wow what a huge abundance of incorrect and unreliable information. Shield Block rating is useless except for in the case of making a passive uncrushable set, meaning your dodge,block, miss, parry > 102.4% at that point you no longer need to shield block to prevent crushing blows in most cases. One of the very few exceptions is in Sunwell where "Sunwell radiance" decreases you avoidance requiring you to have more like 122.4%. Aiming for this is pretty useless. Dodge, Parry, Defense rating are always better than block rating after you achieve 102.4% combined avoidance and block chance when either Shield Block or Holy Shield is active. The reason that dodge and parry are better is because more importantly than blocking is avoiding during a fast hitting boss because blocking a hit eats a shield block charge opening you up to a crushing blow. 18.9 dodge, 19.7 defense rating, 23.65 parry all = 1% Avoidance although dodging more often will cause spikes in you rage if you have expertise and hit rating and you do a proper rotation you shouldn't have too many issues.

Shield Block Value is useful as a good threat stat and can help reduce incoming damage especially faster softer hitting mobs. For example assuming that you block all incoming attacks if you take 4 hits in 5 secs for 2k each with 500 SBV you will take 6k dmg compared to 8k with 0 SBV. The same 8K dmg as 2 hits blocked would be 7k dmg.

The Darkener's Grasp while not useless it would find its way into my bank if i
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30007/亵渎者萨拉德雷之握 had pendant of the titans

Pendant of Titans is better for survival and threat than Darkener's Grasp
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=32362/泰坦坠饰

Brooch of Deftness is better for threat in all cases
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33296/灵巧胸针

If you want some good sites to learn about tank theory check out some of these sites:

www.tankspot.com
www.tankingtips.com
maintankadin.failsafedesign.com

评论来自 Thottbot

I sure hope Ychro isn't a main tank since he seems to be one of those there's only way to tank, it's the best way in every possible situation and that's my way types. Any raid with him main tanking is going to be wiping a lot more than they would be with a tank who has a clue about tanking beyond the simplest, most basic, dumbed down for the masses tanking theory.

He needs to do a lot of reading up on those links he provided if he ever wants to be a good tank. Good topics for him to start learning about would be:

1) Effective Health Theory
2) Problems inherent with Avoidance Tanking (avoidance strings and worse yet non-avoidance strings).
3) Warrors taking multiple successive crushes on fast attacking bosses

It's particularly amusing how he talks about SBR vs SBV.

Shield Block Value is useful as a good threat stat
For a warrior yes but SBV does nothing for a paladin's threat.

and can help reduce incoming damage especially faster softer hitting mobs.
SBV is good mitigation for both warriors and paladins, especially when taking light hits. However he doesn't seem to realize that SBR is terrific when taking fast hits. For "faster softer hitting mobs" stacking either SBR or SBV is good but stacking both together is godly.

For example assuming that you block all incoming attacks if you take 4 hits in 5 secs
4 blocks in 5 seconds? Warrior sheild block is 2 blocks in 5 seconds, if he's taking 4 hits in 5 seconds that's precisely the type of situation where block rating comes in handy.

2k each with 500 SBV you will take 6k dmg compared to 8k with 0 SBV. The same 8K dmg as 2 hits blocked would be 7k dmg.
Except as a warrior he's only gauranteed to block 2 of those 4 hits. The other 2 might get blocked but they could be crushes or regular hits too... Unless of course he's passively uncrushable but that requires stacking an awful lot of block rating, the very stat he disdains as being useless.

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