As a level 70 player, ArmorMitigation = Armor/(Armor+10557.5). Most bosses have 7700 armor or 6200 armor.
Source.|.Armor.|.Mitigation.|.Increase in physical damage from previous level
1 dag...|..4960..|..31.96%....|.......................... .91%
2 dag...|..4820..|..31.34%....|.......................... .91%
1 dag...|..3460..|..24.68%....|.......................... 1.01%
2 dag...|.3320...|..23.92%....|.......................... 1.01%
With this in mind, these daggers are significantly better stat sticks than either
, or any other sort of dual-wield combination or 2h out of Kara or Zul'Aman for Hunters. Depending on your need for hit two of these can be better than
Halberd of Desolation
as well. Of course, if you have access to armor penetration from other sources (having Curse of Recklessness up, Faerie Fire, and/or other equipment that gives armor penetration) then the armor penetration that these daggers provide will result in a larger increase in damage.
Cheeky's Spreadsheet (found at
) can serve as a very reliable guide for Hunters on how changing your gear will affect your DPS, which is especially useful with the addition of armor penetration and haste rating to items.
hey where can i get the thing that says the on the map ?
hehe 2 of these w/ +30 int. enchants to mess around with & farm primals. PvP + Heroics i use the Vengeful Waraxe.
The Tier 5 look-alike weapon for Rogues.
For a hunter, dual wielding these non-unique daggers is one of the few viable (as in, not awful) dual-wield combinations in the game. If you do the math, It's a very high dps combo. However, the dagger has no stamina or hit rating. So if those are not a concern, then 2 of these is the highest dps combo (again, for a hunter) and in certain situations is superior to common 2H pve weapons.
In other words, don't DE it =)
Why is everyone talking about this weapon in terms of hunters? I hear rogues often times use daggers too.
well, obviously you know nothing about rogues, first off its not a significantly better weapon for a rogue than it is for a hunter due to several reasons.
Why? you might ask, Rogues generally get a 2.5s+weapon for mainhand for sinister strike dmg while having an extremely quick 1.6s- speed to apply poisons much faster,
is obviously better for that purpose. now i'm not saying that its not COMPLETELY non-viable but most raiding rogues are combat spec and 2.5s+ mainhands and 1.6s- offhands are generally better, however given that if your item completely lacks in form of Dps it may be acceptable however, Akil'zon's blade is generally better and MUCH easier to get.
also this is one of the best if not THE best weapons for hunters as armor penetration is given a much better perspective. along with the 21agi+20agi enchants would make them 41agix2 for dualwielding ( as you may notice, its not unique this its meant for dualwielding).
so here are the general run down on stats as though you were wearing 2x of these
~80 Attack power (+82 Attack power from agility)
~240 armor penetration.
~as the poster above Jamuka mentioned.~the armor penetration for dual wielding these daggers are roughly a .91% increase in dps each thus it adds to a total of 1.82% increase in DPS on bosses and mobs lvl 73 according to a 7700 armor base value. and a 2.02% DPS increase on mobs with 6200 armor base value. CLEARLY this is a better choice as it almost equates to a personal Ferocious Inspiration. imagine this. say an average hunter averages between 800-1200 dps. 2% of that would be roughly between 16-24dps.
~roughly translated, 14ap=1dps increase paperdoll, thus that would mean that 16-24x14=224-336 ap increase dual daggers would give ofcourse, this cannot be a complete truth as armor penetration doesn't ACTUALLY increase our dmg, just lowers armor mitigration. considering that paperdoll dps is around 50% of a Bm hunter's dps(using a 1:1 Shot Rotation) or a 40% dps of a hunter (3:2) or possibly more as auto shots>steady shots in terms of dmg.
~ inconclusion, this is one of THE BEST HUNTER WEAPON OUT THERE!.
A direct upgrade from this one would be
Shiv of Exsanguination
from Eredar Twins.
Im a DPS warrior and this dropped for us.No rogues or hunters wanted so I took and Ive noticed a big boost in my dps in using it over Spiteblade in my oh.Even though I know I will have to ditch it soon for badge oh but I enjoy having something different than every other dps warrior ingame
Check out the Umbral Shiv. It's an absolutely wonderful survival hunter weapon...if you fully socket and enchant them a pair of them comes out to massive amounts of AGI(depending on the quality of the AGI gems you use). Not to say that this isn't a great survival hunter weapon...it's just that there are better ones out there.
aww man! why wuld u have to bring that up? now this whole forum will be about y warriors should or shuldnt be able to use daggers and then ull have to drag hunters and magers and crap into this.
This drops from Hex Lord Malacrass in Zul'Aman
ok just throwing this out there, what you think about a Hunter duel wielding these with +20 agi? 82 agi, 80 AP 240 armor ignore better than most stuff out there. just a thought
This dagger should only be used by a rogue, any other class only wants it to have another epic and is unfair on rogues if warriors and hunters need for it!
I am a hunter and if this dropped i would ask the rouge(s) in the group if i could roll, if they said no, then i wouldn't, and if they said sure, i would be pretty happy. It all depends on what the rouge thinks. and if you have a ML, then ask them but ask the rouge too.
^ This would be a MH Dagger or possibly MH or OH Muti Dagger under no circumstances would I wield this as Combat and in OH :S!
just my 2 cents :P
This is an awesome Mutilate dagger,i mean look at the dmg range,far better than the emerald ripper and the Machleen(spelling) one
ITS NOT UNIQUE.. ive already got 1 n im going for a second to dual wield mut! PWND
I gotta agree with the guy above me, as a hunter I would love to have this dagger but I would only roll on it with all of the rogue's and warrior's permission.
<Hunter> I agree Also, I would love to own this dagger for the stats alone! BUT... I would make sure the Rogues have it 1st. I would
to roll on it ONLY if the Rogues already have it or there are no Rogues in the Raid.
I Hunters Mark 1 Mob, The Rogue stealths and goes in, Saps the other Mob and begins Melee combat, I stand back and rip off massive DPS shots until I pull aggro, The Rogue follows the mob all the way to me and then the Rogue continues to fight and I have just began to Melee.
Hopefully by the time the Mob get's to me the Rogue can Backstab, Mutilate and everything else he can do and the Mob will be very close to death before I have to engage in Melee Combat also.
Yes, I dual wield Daggers as a Hunter. Both of the are "... Of the Bandit" Before you start flaming me for duel wield Daggers that are "..of the Bandit", I purchased them fair and square off AH, I didn't ninja them from a rogue on a chest drop! The ONLY reason I dual wield Daggers as a Hunter is to defend myself against the Rogues!
Seeing a Hunter wield
Dagger of Bad Mojo
is like seeing a Rogue with a
Sunfury Bow of the Phoenix
, Legit but questionable HOW it was obtained.
Not Hyjal drops either to the person who posted above, ZA
Who cares what the rogues think, their a bunch of noobs this could be used for hunters and shamys,
100% hunter weapon omg i would of 1 shot a cloth wearer !
Man... I never knew about this and it dropped while I was in raid with a rogue (I'm a hunter). He rolled higher than me, but he asked if I wanted it, since he uses swords (what raiding rogue uses anything but swords anyway?), but said he would use it for mutilate if he speced that way. I stupidly said "nah, it's ok, you won the roll".... but then realized that dual wielding these babies will give a hunter higher DPS than practically anything until the polearm in Sunwell. I had my mind set on getting Trollbane or dual wielding axes so much that I didn't realize how incredible this dagger was. Ah well, I run ZA every week, so I'll get them soon enough.
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