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Part of the tanking 'set' for warriors purchasable with 'badges' in 2.4
Set include:
Chest:
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=34939
Legs:
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=34940
Belt:
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=34941
评论来自
126504
Currently on the ptr the badge loot costs are:
Chest/Legs - 100 Badges
Gloves/Belt - 75 Badges
Rings - 60 Badges
Two-Hand/Caster Weapons (Including 1H Caster) - 150 Badges
One-hand Weapons - 105
Off-hands - 45
评论来自
110781
Better than
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33515
TPS-wise. The high defense and high dodge is a turn-off for most progression tanks (who look for high stamina and block value). The Unwavering Legguards are better in almost every respect. Not sure why Blizzard has this peculiar idea that stacking defense is a good idea (43 defense... lol). Most tanks are defense capped if they can afford a 100-badge piece. I would much rather like to see some agility, strength or BV instead of so much defense.
If you're a progression tank, you're more worried about damage mitigation (and not threat generation), and if you're a T6 tank, Onslaught blows these out of the water TPS-wise. These pants are a 'badge-sink'. Save 25 badges and get the Unwavering Legguards.
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szgeti
Also, pushing defense past 490 is one of the biggest mistakes a tank can make, not only are the returns pathetic for it, but there are MUCH more viable stats past 490 that increase your damage mitigation: stamina, BV, armor (a stat these items lack), agility -- or your TPS: hit, armor ignore (one of the best tanking stats hands down.. however still not on any tanking pieces), expertise, agility.
Defense is hardly worthless past 490, at all. Each point of defense rating contributes roughly 0.017% chance to dodge, parry, block and be missed - 0.05% avoidance and 0.017% of better than nothing block rating per point. Each point of dodge rating gives 0.05% chance to dodge, and each point of agility gives 0.03% chance to dodge. Agility also contributes to armor, though.
Saying that stacking defense past 490 is a mistake is simply false, as long as you are gearing for reasonable, balanced avoidance. That leaves the Sunguards superior in threat output AND damage reduction. The only way, with all of that in mind, that the Unwaverings are better is if you consider the avoidance on the Sunguard Legplates to be a hindrance to rage generation, and if your guild is in progression mode and you're gearing with that mentality then I feel sorry for your guildmates.
评论来自
szgeti
Davvv, the personal attack is very effective in that it's making me think having a conversation with you is becoming compeltely pointless, as you completely failed to read what I had to say. For the record, all but maybe two of the gems in
my gear
are Solid Empyreans. I do not socket for Defense. However, if you had actually READ my comment, you would notice that I explained to you in simple comparison, using easily verifiable numbers, that point for point Defense is better than Dodge for avoidance, and both are easily better than Parry from a value standpoint. I'm not advocating stacking Defense, or stacking ANY avoidance.
I don't need to prove this, just look at the item budgets past 490 defense. Read up on elitistjerks and wowwiki
You must have missed the part in my apparently too long reply where I used those exact numbers to explain. I'll do it again using the exact same text but with a convenient bold:
Each point of defense rating
contributes roughly 0.017% chance to dodge, parry, block and be missed -
0.05% avoidance
and 0.017% of better than nothing block rating per point. Each point of dodge rating gives 0.05% chance to dodge, and each point of agility gives 0.03% chance to dodge.
With that in mind, I don't see how you can reasonably call defense "useless" past 490 or say that it itemizes better, when in reality you get more out of defense than any other avoidance stat except parry, which is far more expensive from an item budget standpoint.
I'm NOT advocating stacking avoidance of any kind for progression. However, it's obvious, if you can count, that you get a lot more out of the Sunguard Legplates unless you're stocking block value for novelty. Giving up -1.25% chance to be dodged/parried and almost 4% avoidance for a whole 9 more stamina and 77 block value is not what I would call reasonable, personally, but that's just me.
评论来自
131187
Why are they messing with the armor values?
Is it a mistake or is it just itemized that way? Item level 128 armor? eh...
评论来自
28609
These leggings are very good. Expertise is an excellent stat in general, and quite rare, which may or may not be true in 2.4. Compare these to different T6 level leggings and they are all pretty close, except these have expertise, which makes them probably better.
Also, defense is always a good thing, I would never not use an item because a lot of the budget is used on defense. Overall these are excellent leggings.
评论来自
119626
In my honest opinion, i think these are a sidegrade to the unwavering legguards. Moving to these you loose block value, hp, same armor, 100 badge price, and you should be capping expertise with the 2.4 belt along with 2.3 badges.
评论来自
54782
If you already have the Unwavering Legguards you would net:
(Assuming that you socketed with 12 stam. gems on both sets of legs.)
- 7 Stamina
- 30 Shield Block Rating
- 59 Shield Block Value
+ 21 Defense Rating
+ 23 Expertise Rating
+ 35 Dodge Rating
If the above poster is right about the new armor value you would also gain + 138 Armor.
评论来自
102161
Got these today on my Pally.
The bit of expertise is a bonus and might persuade me to use SoVengeance a bit more than I do.
But the best bit is the dodge rating.
Equipping these over my Unwavering, my block % dropped quite a bit, but my dodge has gone up to over 24%! :D
So I'd consider that a fair trade really.
And even though these lose a socket over the Unwaverings, they have slightly more base stam, so with 2x Solid Stars and some Nethercleft I still have nrly the same hp as before, but with a lot more dodge :)
Overall, very impressed, gonna give them a test drive in ZA tomorrow and see how much they help.
评论来自
Thottbot
Let me be the first to say that these are perhaps a sidegrade to Prot Warriors who already have Unwavering Legguards. I fully expect to see Prot Paladins with these however.
评论来自
Thottbot
I would Consider these to be BETTER than the Unwavering Legs, and better than Praetorian's Legguards off of Akama as well.
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