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评论来自 Carighan

It is more than a bit irritating that this spell only starts at lvl64. Not even talking about the time between the 2.0.2 patch and the release of the XPack, in which some talents are weaker than they could be due to this spell missing, it simple... doesn't fit.

I mean, why give the Shadow nuke at lvl1 but the Fire equivalent (it's not like it's more powerful) at lvl64?

评论来自 rays

A good attack cycle with this spell: Immolate, Incinerate x2, and Conflagrate (if available)

评论来自 10732

Hmm, maybe.
Cycle: Immolate, 4x Incinerate, Conflagerate gonna work, 5x gonna be too much, you won't have any break at all!

评论来自 9836

Incinerate actually would do a bit more damage than Shadow Bolt with the +10% fire dmg from talents and it costs less mana than Shadow Bolt too! That is if Immolate is up.

评论来自 13572

The damage is already calculated before the fire animation actually hits the target so you can conflag away!

评论来自 Carighan

Incinerate is technically the superior nuke for maximum-nukage. This is because it is impossible to "fully" spec Shadow Bolt (can't have Shadow Mastery and Shadow&Flame at the same time), but it is possible for Incinerate.

So in a full-Destro build, which is the highest nuking power you can obtain, Incinerate is your new main "workhorse". :)

评论来自 30252

For level 70 Warlock go with this talent build.
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/talent=AZdxczIbzZxx0tr0tVuV
When you sac your imp, you have +25% fire damage. The build allows you to use fire damage or go back to the shadow bolts for some fights. Basically this is how you do the fight. Curse of Elements, Immolate, Conflagerate (to get that cooldown started), Immolate, Incinerate x4, Conflag, then keep on repeating but of course don't repeat the curse. And if you pull aggro, like Warlocks do, pray for a backlash proc and you've got an insta cast incinerate or bolt. One thing i forgot, is that with Curse of Elements and that Talent Build, you have +35% against the selected target.

评论来自 boneLazy

I was thinkin bout a 0/40/21 talent for +10% crit and +15% bonus damage (with succu). the damage bonus is surely better than SM/Ruin and it has 5% more crit than SM/Ruin too. I'm even thinking that this talent may make even incinerate to hit more than Full Destro.. I don't know what to do exactly but I'll try DT/Ruin for sure...

评论来自 xgevangelist

"You forget also that Fire spec'ed mages convay the same bonus as shadow Weaving through improved scorch, and fire Mages are alot more common than Shadow Priests."

Wrong any good raid group always has one shadow priest for VT, not every good raid group will have a fire mage though for fire vulnerability.

评论来自 Ksearo

See my above post.

评论来自 Wildhorn

If you team with a fire mage to get Fire Vulnerability and a shadow priest to get Misery and you spec with the https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/talent=AZdxczIbzZxx0tr0tVuV build

You can increase your damage by

15% + 5% + 10% + 15% + 10% = 55% + 20% of your +Fdmg

With 800 +dmg this give an initial damage of incinerate of:

479 + 686 = 1165 * 1.55 = 1806 (3612 crit) for 2.5sec cast

Ouch :)

评论来自 27894

I find that 0/21/40 Fire is better for Raiding, whereas 0/21/40 Shadow is still very good for raiding but overall is a little more well rounded for PvP than fire (for the extra points you may put into soul leech/aftermath/nether prot).

评论来自 Kyeld

there's virtually no situation in an endgame raid where incinerate will be superior to shadowbolt unless you've got a weird build with neither imp. SB or bane... this is almost entirely a result of improved shadowbolt, causing shadowbolt crits to increase damage done by every warlock and shadowpriest in the raid by 20%. in a raid stacking locks and shadow priests, keeping the imp SB debuff up as much as possible should be a high priority.

评论来自 msennin

Will Incinerate be the new king of Destruction DPS in 2.4?

Let's take a high T5 raiding Warlock. Assume 1446 damage, 28% crit, and 16% hit, 1% haste, a Shadow Priest, a Scorch Mage, CoE, and CoS. Also assume in either situation the Warlock is casting CoE for the raid and that the Incinerate Warlock has 5/5 Emberstorm and 5/5 Improved Immolate. Obviously the Imp is being sacrificed for fire while the Succubus is sacrificed for shadow. There are 2 Destruction Warlocks, 1 Affliction Warlock, and 2 Shadow Priests. The Affliction Warlock has 3/3 Malediction and is casting CoE for Incinerate and CoS for Shadow Bolts. You get the other curse. The GCD is affected by haste, but the Life Tap change is currently unknown and cannot be accounted for.

According to the Warlock DPS Spreadsheet v2.0 beta 4 which can be found on the Elitist Jerks forums (remember, this is under ideal settings):

Shadow Bolt Warlock:
Immolate + Shadow Bolt DPS = 1717.53

Incinerate Warlock:
Immolate + Incinerate DPS = 1829.17

Incinerate appears to be more viable than it has in the past, but ISB uptime will be the deciding factor. The Shadow Bolt Warlock provides a boost to the raid's Shadow damage (Shadow Priests and other Warlocks) and will scale with ISB uptime. Surprisingly the Incinerate Warlock seems to do more personal DPS in this specific situation.

Of course, this is all speculation for now. We'll only know for sure when 2.4 goes live.

评论来自 Allakhazam

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评论来自 Allakhazam

Great spell, Immolate ==> Incinerate 2X and trash mobs are dead in less than 10 sec. It takes less cast time than a SB (or the same with Bane) and takes less mana for the same dmg when Immo is up.

Edited, Oct 29th 2007 10:36am by pcote

评论来自 Thottbot

Half second less cast time and does more damage than the bolt. This spell rocks hard.

评论来自 Thottbot

Since I'm destrospecced, the 10% dmg bonus adds up on this, and usually I'm teaming with a mage --> Curse of elements which gives another 10%. This spell rocks, and most often, every decent warlock almost always have an Immolate active, and if he doesn't, he is casting one. =)

评论来自 Thottbot

Shorter casting time than shadowbolt, more damage if you have immolate on, great if you have more fire than shadow damage or if the mobs you're fighting have shadow resistance. Perfect addition.

评论来自 Thottbot

I have never played a Warlock to a high level, but seems to me, that this might be a way of 'creating' damage - Would it not be possible to cast Immolate, and shadowbolt until there is about 3 second left on immolate, and cast incinerate then - that should mean you get the max damage of Immolate and get the same damage with incinerate.

How would this affect a Warlock's DPM?

评论来自 Thottbot

it isnt that special but its graphic ROCKS...its like a shifting wave of flame

评论来自 Thottbot

Incinerate:
As long as immolate is on, this spell has higher base damage.
Incinerate also recieves more bonus damage from destruction talents, thus has higher overall damage.
As far as mana:damage is concerned, incinerate is more efficient.

Shadowbolt:
With imp. shadowbolt procs, shadowbolts can do more damage.

Group use:
If theres a fire mage(Imp scorch) in your party and you're using curse of elements, incinerate will do considerably more damage.
If theres a shadow priest(shadow weaving) in your party and you're using curse of shadow, shadowbolts have higher potential damage.

评论来自 Thottbot

lets say u have 600 spell damage

Shadowbolt
Since its base cast is 3 seconds it gets about 86% of ur spell dmg (3.5 spells or higher get full):

Base Shadowbolt dmg = 600 (wit SM)
3/3.5 = 0.86
600 x 0.86 = 516 bonus spell dmg
600 + 516 = 1116 dmg

Wit CoS and Imp Shadowbolt
1116 x 1.3 = 1451

Crit
1451 x 2 = 3002 dmg

Incinerate
Base Incinerate dmg = 642 (wit talent)
2.5/3.5 = 0.714
600 x 0.714 = 428 bonus spell dmg
642 + 428 = 1070

Wit CoE
1070 x 1.1 = 1177

Crit
1177 x 2 = 2354 dmg

Now as u can c a shadowbolt more potential for dmg and with the talent spec bane the spell casting time is the same as incinerate

Note Bane does not affect spell dmg because spell dmg is determine by base casting time

评论来自 Thottbot

I did some calculation of Incinerate versus shadow bolt. Calculations are done with +600 spelldmg and using a 0/21/40 spec(DS/Shadow and Flame).

Results are as follows:
-------------------
SHADOW BOLT
Average shadow bolt base = 541 - 603 = 572
Damage multiplier = 3/3.5 = 0.86
Shadow and Flame multiplier 1.2 = 0.86 * 1.20 = 1.03
+Damage = 600 * 1.03 = 618
Final damage hit = 572 + 618 = 1190

Curse of Shadows = 1190 * 1.1 = 1309

Touch of Shadow = 1309 * 1.15 = 1505

FINAL DAMAGE = 1505
CRIT DAMAGE = 3010

INCINERATE
Average incinerate base(wo/ Immolate) = 444 - 514 = 478
Average +Immolate damage: = 111 - 128.5 = 120
Combined average base: = 478 + 120 = 598
Damage multiplier = 2.5/3.5 = 0.71
Shadow and Flame multipler 1.2 = 0.71 * 1.2 = 0.85
+Damage = 600 * 0.85 = 510
Final damage hit = 598 + 510 = 1108

Emberstorm 5/5 = 1108 * 1.1 = 1219

Curse of the Elements = 1219 * 1.1 = 1341

Burning Wish = 1341 * 1.15 = 1542

FINAL DAMAGE = 1542
CRIT DAMAGE = 3084
-------------------

As you can see, the damage is VERY close at these amounts of +spelldmg. I estimate that Shadowbolt will overtake Incinerate at around 800-900 +spelldmg.

评论来自 Thottbot

"1451 x 2 = 3002 dmg.. -.-''"
1451 x 2 = 2902 dmg.. ! !

评论来自 Thottbot

As a 11/0/48 Destru Lock, i love incinerate. unfortunately im a bit of a mana conservationist because of lurking horde waiting for my mana to get low enough, so yeah i go for the "cast DoTs including immolate, then when immolate is nearing its end, cast incinerate and conflag" but its all dependent on the situation. I have lately begun not to care about mana anymore seeing how there is so much to go around in the higher 60 lvl's. the crit burst damage that incinerate and shadowbolt can cause together are crazy. Now im not to good at math but at one point when i was 64 or 65 i had my spellcrit at %14, i was doing Manatombs and i critted 5 times in a row on the same target with incenerate, each crit was approximately 1875, im not sure what kinda scale the percentage works on but hey, whatever. now PvP is just a complete blood bath including all other powers. anyway im blabbering, bottom line, incinerate is a strong power, and a must for any Destru Lock. PS: stay away from Soul Leech, the most useless Talent a Destru Lock could have.

评论来自 Thottbot

hmm.. i was wondering i saw a movie were this spell sometimes was instant and some times not. can any1 explane me that?

评论来自 Thottbot

I am a long time lock now.

The addition of this spell allows you to focus your +spell damage on fire, instead of on shadow, or just general damage.

For PvE, surely the self-sustainment of affliction is incomparable for boss fights.

But for PvP, I favor a destruction build, focusing on +fire damage and crit.

The only shadow spells used in my destruction build, are shadowfury, and shadowburn. Both of which serve purposes other than just DPS.

I of course had the debate intially too, of which was better. But when you're stacking +1000 fire dmg, incinerate is hands down better. I don't even consider casting shadowbolt (no one mentioned the mana difference).

评论来自 Thottbot

This spell is neither better nor worse than Shadowbolt. It really all comes down to two simple facts:

1.) This gives you an effective second magic type useful for both PvE and PvP, but PvE benefits from it much more. Interrupted in shadow by that rogue? Bring on the fire and let him know you mean business with this or searing pain. Shadow immune or heavy shadow resist mobs in PvE? Dish out a burning hell without the aggro worries of searing pain. It's not the incredible threesome combo of a mage, but it at least gives warlocks options they didn't have prior to BC.

2.) Personal preference on spell schools. Some people think shadowy death warlocks are cool. Personally, I think a fire orc warlock is a pretty kickass idea.

评论来自 Thottbot

I am affliction spec, so for me shadowbolt is far more useful. Shadowbolt crits give me extra damage, and since UA does more damage than Immolate, Immolate is basically a waste of mana for me. However, in Mana Tombs and such places where I need to take low-stamina mobs very quickly, I use Immolate/Incinerate, since it is faster than shadowbolt. since I am not destro, it has less DPS, but it does do more burst damage I find.

Destro seems to be about killing things with low stamina fast, sacraficing mana, while affliction is to kill things with lots of healh slowly but surely withut ever worrying about mana. So, Destro is more PVP spec, since nobody has much more than 15k health, and affliction is raid spec.

评论来自 Thottbot

I don't play a lock, but from what I see it looks like a destro lock could immolate, wait for backlash, then insta-incinerate, conflagrate, then shadowburn for maybe 3-4k damage, all with instants? Why don't I see locks pulling this more often? It's not even cooldown reliant for pete's sake, cast immolate (two seconds, 70% interrupt resistance) and wait for that hunter pet to proc backlash...

评论来自 Thottbot

what the hell people

obviously using curse of shadow + shadow bolt or curse of elements + incinerate depends on how the rest of your party looks, just use both depending on what happens to suit the moment

as for by themselves, in order to out-dps the other, they both obviously require certain conditions to happen; sb needs crits to proc, which can also work if you cram in a shadowburn and a shadowfury if you got em - inc needs immolate and can close out the immolate duration with conflag.

if you use curse of shadow, you can add in a corruption to back up the sb / shadowburn / shadowfury

or curse of elements you can start off with immolate, soulburn, conflag, immolate, inc, whatever

point being you do have both, so just use em, try not to get obsessed with comparing

评论来自 Thottbot

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Report Quote Reply Re: Correction: Ember...
Score 1.2 Vote: by Wenry, 1.0 year ago
"Emberstorm must be calculated before spell damage, as it only modifies the base damage of fire spells."

This is flat-out wrong. Just like a Mage's Fire Power, Emberstorm is a 10% multiplier to fire damage after spell damage has been taken into account.
Report Quote Reply Fire spells VS shadow
Score 0.00 Vote: by magural, 1.1 years ago
Last edit: 1.1 years ago
anyone add in the firestone to the equazions
you get an extra 30 damage 116-174 fire damage with that
Report Quote Reply Re: Fire spells VS shadow
Score 0.62 Vote: by ceiling, 1.0 year ago
lol hes right. that 30 dmg is just what incinerate needs to overtake shadowbolt (no shadowbolt crit effect).
Report Quote Reply Re: Spell 29722
Score 0.63 Vote: by Jadengras, 11.9 months ago
Last edit: 11.9 months ago
As a 11/0/48 Destru Lock, i love incinerate. unfortunately im a bit of a mana conservationist because of lurking horde waiting for my mana to get low enough, so yeah i go for the "cast DoTs including immolate, then when immolate is nearing its end, cast incinerate and conflag" but its all dependent on the situation. I have lately begun not to care about mana anymore seeing how there is so much to go around in the higher 60 lvl's. the crit burst damage that incinerate and shadowbolt can cause together are crazy. Now im not to good at math but at one point when i was 64 or 65 i had my spellcrit at , i was doing Manatombs and i critted 5 times in a row on the same target with incenerate, each crit was approximately 1875, im not sure what kinda scale the percentage works on but hey, whatever. now PvP is just a complete blood bath including all other powers. anyway im blabbering, bottom line, incinerate is a strong power, and a must for any Destru Lock. PS: stay away from Soul Leech, the most useless Talent a Destru Lock could have.
Report Quote Reply Re: Spell 29722
Score 0.67 Vote: by Trenktas, 11.1 months ago
hmm.. i was wondering i saw a movie were this spell sometimes was instant and some times not. can any1 explane me that?
Report Quote Reply Re: Spell 29722
Score 0.00 Vote: by ddrcata, 10.8 months ago
It's a talent. Something like 25% of the time when you get hit by PHYSICAL damage, one shadowbolt or incinerate spell becomes instant.
Report Quote Reply Incinerate
Score 0.69 Vote: by reeddunkle, 10.7 months ago
I am a long time lock now.

The addition of this spell allows you to focus your spell damage on fire, instead of on shadow, or just general damage.

For PvE, surely the self-sustainment of affliction is incomparable for boss fights.

But for PvP, I favor a destruction build, focusing on fire damage and crit.

The only shadow spells used in my destruction build, are shadowfury, and shadowburn. Both of which serve purposes other than just DPS.

I of course had the debate intially too, of which was better. But when you're stacking 1000 fire dmg, incinerate is hands down better. I don't even consider casting shadowbolt (no one mentioned the mana difference).
Re: Spell 29722 by Smigjo, Score -0.71
Re: Spell 29722 by Azsune, Score -0.80
ok... by teodor1992, Score -1.7
Report Quote Reply Re: ok...
Score 3.0 Vote: by Wenry, 9.6 months ago
And priests have Prayer of Shadow Protection, pallies have Shadow Prot Aura, and other warlocks have Shadow Ward....

Also, "most mobs" are not immune to Fire, though some are, and almost nothing is immune to Shadow.

Finally, this spell is not "better than Shadow Bolt," and with Bane, Shadow Bolt has the same casting time as this spell with a better damage coefficient and synergy with Shadow Priests. Incinerate has synergy with Mages, but Warlocks don't have anything like Imp SB for Incinerate, and Mages don't give free mana and healing with their damage. Shadow Bolts are simply better.
Re: Spell 29722 by Modii, Score -0.84
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325法力值	30 码范围

2.5秒施法时间

对你的目标造成416 to 480点火焰伤害，如果该目标已经受到了献祭法术的影响，那么还可以对其造成103 to 120点额外的火焰伤害。

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GCD目录

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325法力值

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30码 (中程)

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School Damage （火焰）
价值：403 (SP mod:0.714)
PVP 倍率：1

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