此站点大量使用JavaScript。
请在您的浏览器中启用JavaScript。
经典怀旧服主题
Thottbot主题
评论
评论来自
Harbinger
VERY lackluster necklace. I don't see anyone getting it with so many equal blue rewards like
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=29173
for example. Blizzard has to re-evaluate it asap.
评论来自
38138
While it should be better, it's still a good tanking neck, slightly better than the one dropped by Maiden of Virtue in Karazhan.
评论来自
Rubert
For druids it might be worth noting that a crafted necklace added in 2.1 patch is about equal to this one once you gain reach immunity to criticals from other gear and socket the crafted necklace either with +sta/+agi gems or +sta depending on what you prefer.
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=32508
评论来自
5027
This is actually an upgrade over the
Strength of the Untamed
though I know it doesn't seem that way at first. But with the higher +def and the agility, the total avoidance actually comes out to more than the Untamed neck piece. And you get a little more stam to boot. Not a huge upgrade, but it is an upgrade.
Strength of the Untamed -- 2.24% avoidance
Necklace of the Juggernaut -- 2.39% avoidance
评论来自
staramor
I am scratching out some numbers on this versus
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30378#comments
Thalodien's Charm
15 block Value and 4 more stamina vs 19 agility and 7 more defense rating.
I guess it is the whole mitigation/vs avoidance debate...and there is threat too.
Threat 15 block / 6 sec slam cooldown roughly 3 threat per second (bonuses of one hand and shield mastery)
19 agility is roughly .6% crit . Revenge Sheild Slam and Normal 300 dps tanking? 1.8 . Call it 1 threat per second less for this epic. (not much compared to 500 to 700 tps we should have up)
The 19 agillty give you .6% dodge. The 7 defence rating give you about another .6% avoidance (7/2.4)* (.04*5) (some of that is block though). Call it 1.1% avoidance and saying you are getting attacked at 3000 dps (out of my hat number but seems like about right in a heroic mutiple pull or boss), this necklace would then be saving you about 33 hp / second.
15 block would save you 15 / (5 sec cool/2 blocks) about 6 hp per second although you might be getting an extra block or so in 5 seconds if faster attacks or mutiple mobs were in play based on the block rating.
Now here is what i havent seen enough talk about. How do you compare 4 stamina 44 hp, to a given avoidance per second? and to mitigation per second?
10 hp of mitigation per second is at least somewhat greater than an -average- avoidance per second unless you want a chance to win by russian roulette vs caculating what will work again and again. But.. thats a hard debate.. that we might leave asside and assume they are equal.(not!)
What is the 27 point differential in damaged recieved per seond worth compared to 4 points of stamina.? personally I'd think a 5 second window where a healer is stunned or out of range is a good threshhold.
27 x 5 = 135 hp in this seat of a pants coparison. Compare that to 44 exta hp from thalodien's extra stamina...and you get 91 hps improvement from this epic over the quest reward..
.. but wait there is also that bit of extra threat too...
And there is any benefit that consistent threat versus occasional threat (crit) and consitent mitigation vs bumpy avoidance is worth.
All in all, I am not really sure that I would wear this over thalodiens...probably ,, but just barely and hardly a priorty to grind for.
评论来自
76512
I'm a bear tank, and this is one heck of a necklece... I just purchased it and I can't wait to get new boots (Instead of the Clefthoof ones) and other non def extra stam gear (I have about 470 defence but 12.5K HP..) this thing in my opinion is the second best tanking neck, the first being The Darkener's Grasp but it will take a while to get;-) anyway, Druids, start doing heroics.. If you don't like doing instances and feeling that it's pointless drop wise only for badges, I suggest you do The Blood Furnace for Mantle of Shadowy Embrace, Hellfire Remparts for Tree Mender's Belt, Underbog for Argussian Compass, Shadow Lab for Adamantine Figurine (Only if you really lack defence and I can't really see the use of the +1150 armor since your armor should alredy surpass the 22-23K and anohter 1K isn't such a huge difference but other than that, awsome trink).
If you're as unlucky as I am, you should have a lot over 25 marks by the time you get even 2 of those items... I only got the shoulders and I alredy bought this one, next on my drooling list is Ring of Unyielding Force .
Hope my comment helped anybody:-)
评论来自
Relwolf
I was looking at
this chart
and decided to do a little bit of math to see if
Necklace of the Juggernaut
was better really better then my recently acquired
Barbed Choker of Discipline
as a feral druid tank. That chart rated the Necklace of the Juggernaut higher but I was a bit skeptical.
Assuming that a feral druid has:
5/5 Heart of the Wild
AND
3/3 Survival of the Fittest
And is in Dire Bear Form (duh)
Here are the numbers I came up with (please correct my math if I made a mistake) (also note that this does not include Blessing of Kings):
Necklace of the Juggernaut:
Health: 488.4 ((33*1.48)*10)
Dodge%: 1.70 (((10*1.03)/14.7)+((22/2.36)*0.04)))
AP: 10.3 (10*1.03)
Crit%: 0.52 ((10*1.3)/25)
Barbed Choker of Discipline:
Health: 577.2 ((39*1.48)*10)
Dodge%: 1.38 ((21/18.9)+((16/2.36)*0.04))
From a pure avoidance standpoint the Necklace of the Juggernaut wins. It will also give you a marginal amount of Attack Power and chance to Crit (both of which would be amplified slightly by Kings). The the major draw back to Barbed Choker is difference in Defense Rating. Regardless of your crit immune (-2.6% chance to be crit either through dodge or resilience) the Necklace of the Juggernaut is the better choice. However if you already have the Barbed Choker and you are crit immune, save your badges for something that is a more significant upgrade.
It is also note worthy that Necklace of the Juggernaut is easier to acquire if you do not have a way into Karazhan.
Edited to fix the mistake in my math.
评论来自
Aris
Why would anyone buy this now that
Brooch of Deftness
is available for only 10 more badges. More stamina, and one of the very few tanking items with expertise.
Expertise IS a mitigation stat. The mobs dont parry your attacks as often, so their attack speed doesnt speed up because of parry'ing an attack, so you get hit less. While at the same time increasing your threat generation because they dont dodge or parry your attacks as often.
Not to mention it also has hit rating on it, which is rare on good tanking pieces.
The only reason i could possibly see getting this over the brooch, is if your not already crit immune through defense rating. But honestly, if your raiding KZ or doing heroics, your going to already be crit immune.
评论来自
Miffy
You're right in some ways and wrong in others.
First and foremost, if you would claim that the Brooch of Deftness is better than Necklace of the Juggernaut (for a Druid) in any way, shape, or form then you have obviously never went through the hell that is gearing a Feral Druid.
Contrary to what you said, any Druid that would equip the Brooch of Deftness over Necklace of the Juggernaut is indeed geared wrong. A Druid in T4 level gear would never dream of equipping a Neck, Ring, or Cape that did not offer Defense. Even in T5 level gear, Druids STILL rely on Resilience and/or Defense gems to get their cap of 415 Defense/2.60% avoidance to crits. That might seem like a small Defense requirement to a Warrior or Protadin, but it's a pain to get when none of your actual armor has Defense on it (this is excluding the clefthoof set because I'm talking about T4+). Only way around this is to equip a trinket with defense. Which in a Druid's case is a complete waste of a trinket slot. The only Defense trinket a druid should ever equip (unless in a resist fight) is the one off of Bloodboil. And by then, why not just get the Pendant of Titans? It's far better for a Druid than Brooch of Deftness.
Druids should not have problems with threat. Druid TPS does scale with gear to some extent, but seriously, a well played Druid in T4ish gear should have no problem maintaining 900+ TPS. If they can't maintain 800 at a bare minimum then they need to learn how to play the class. Hit/more threat via the ability to miss less doesn't become an issue for Druids untill the latter part of T5 content, pushing into T6. Simply because untill then very few DPS can regularly ride your ass on threat (assuming that you can properly tank).
Also, you only looked at Agility as a pure +dodge stat. That's not all it is. Agility is +crit in bear form. Crits are part of what makes Druid rage generation and more importantly threat generation. Not only that, but Agility also scales with buffs. Keep in mind that Survival of the fittest is +3% to all stats, Kings is +10%. With raid buffs, the Agility on this alone would be 1.5%ish dodge, not to mention the dodge from the Defense rating. Beyond that, it's actually a useful stat once you shift into Cat. Now obviously you don't want to work your tanking gear around how useful it is in Cat, but I felt that was worthy of a mention.
评论来自
6780
Comparable to Barbed Choker of Discipline from Karazhan. Barbed Chocker has higher stamina, but this gives higher defense and trades dodge rating for agility. For a warrior this means less dodge. For a druid however, this will have much higher dodge and add crits (aka more threat)
评论来自
Allakhazam
On 2.1 test server, this is picking up:
+1 agi
+3 stam
+1 defense
That small change is enough to make it truly competitive with the
Barbed Choker
off of Maiden of Virtue. This is among the best tank necks in the game - and either this or the choker would serve you well into the 25-mans.
评论来自
Allakhazam
dude.. druids can tank to
LACERATE FTW ... :P u have been corrected
评论来自
Allakhazam
Pretty much perfect tanking stats, agi for dodge, stam for.. stam, and defense. Good balance of tanking stats.
评论来自
Allakhazam
I'M THE JUGGERNAUT &*!@#
评论来自
Allakhazam
I can finally say warrior gear and be right
评论来自
Allakhazam
Pally tank item.
评论来自
Thottbot
Tbh this is the best tanker neck for druids atm :D gg
评论来自
Thottbot
nope,
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=60414
is.
use
http://www.gurgleblaster.net/emmerald/Bear_Mitigation/Neck.html
for reference
评论来自
Thottbot
It's just like that thing in that movie.. U know like in
this thing ye...
评论来自
Thottbot
is this better than the neck off maiden for warrior or paladin tanks? just wondering.
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28516/
戒律之尖刺项圈
Barbed Choker of Discipline
评论来自
Thottbot
If you are a druid and already over the +Def cap.
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=32508/
深海项链 with 2 12 stam Gems or 2 4 agi 6 stam gems is in face quite a bit better than this one. (And its cheap too)
评论来自
Thottbot
I agree with the poster above, necklace of the deep socketted right can make it just as good as this stat-wise, if not slightly better.
This is nice for the defense though, but if you're fine on defense, then I'd say get the ring over this. Because if you're defense capped, I don't see the point to this, considering Necklace of the Deep with 2 solid stars gives;
21+ agility
44+ Stamina
So again, I don't see the point in getting this if you're def. capped as a tank druid. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.
评论来自
Thottbot
Ive read several forums talking about a lack of defense availability for later end game druid tanking. This neck seems to be the best because of so much defense. There are lots of other places to put extra stam and agility, but neck and rings are the best spot to try and get defense. Imo get this neck and that will allow you to focus your sockets and enchants on much needed stam and agil. The agility on this baby is also lots of extra dodge and crit so its better than the dodge rating from the barbed choker of discipline.
3D查看
查找升级...
链接
小知识
屏幕截图
视频
崇神项链
[Phase 1]
物品等级:110
拾取后绑定
颈部
+19 敏捷
+33 耐力
需要等级 70
装备:防御等级提高22。
[Vendor Locations]
[This item can be purchased in]
沙塔斯城
(2).
指南
Burning Crusade Classic Badge of Justice Guide
TBCC Feral Druid Tank Best In Slot Phase 1 Gear
TBCC Protection Paladin Tank Best In Slot Phase 1 Gear
TBCC Protection Paladin Tank BiS Phase 3
TBCC Protection Paladin Tank Best In Slot Pre-Raid Gear
TBCC Protection Warrior Tank Best In Slot Phase 1 Gear
TBCC Protection Warrior Tank Best In Slot Phase 3 Gear
相关
贡献
在发表评论前,请留心以下提示:
您的评论必须为简体中文,否则将会被删除。
不知道如何发评论?参考我们的
格式指南
!
发表前最好先自行校对一次。
有问题可以访问我们的
论坛
来寻求帮助。
发表评论
你没有登录。
请登录
或者
注册账号
来添加你的评论。
使用下面的表格浏览您的截屏。
[Screenshots containing UI elements are generally declined on sight, the same goes for screenshots from the modelviewer or character selection screen.]
质量越高越好!
[Please review our
Screenshot Guidelines
before submitting!]
您没有登录。请
登录
后提交截屏。
将视频URL输入下列表格即可。
URL:
支持:仅限 YouTube
说明:您的视频需通过审核才能在站点上显示。
我们用
Wowhead 客户端
保证数据库的及时更新,向您提供额外的有趣的功能!
两大目的:
它还维护WoW的一个插件
Wowhead Looter
, 在您游戏时采集数据!
它将
采集所得数据
上传至Wowhead,保证数据库时刻掌握最新信息!
您可以用它追踪完成的任务、配方、坐骑、伙伴宠物以及头衔!
您还在等什么?立即
下载客户端
整装待发吧。
我们用 Wowhead 客户端保证数据库的及时更新,向您提供额外的有趣的功能!
两大目的:
您可以用它追踪完成的任务、配方、坐骑、伙伴宠物以及头衔!
您还在等什么?立即 下载客户端 整装待发吧。